https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists

Daud Deden will love this.
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Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:05:28 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:

>https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists

"Atkinson also hypothesized that languages with the most sounds would
be the oldest, while those spoken by smaller breakaway groups would
utilize fewer sounds as variation and complexity diminished."

Easily disproven by the fact that Proto-IE had only two vowel phonemes
/e/ and /o/, whereas IE languages like German and English have
decades.

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Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 12:05:31 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:

> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists
>
> Daud Deden will love this.

I believe we dealt with it a decade ago, when it was published.

Another disadvantage of on-line "research": you're likely not to notice
the dates of publication.

Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:57:12 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 12:05:31 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists
>>
>> Daud Deden will love this.
>
>I believe we dealt with it a decade ago, when it was published.
>
>Another disadvantage of on-line "research": you're likely not to notice
>the dates of publication.

It was posted in a translator's mailing list. I already had my doubts.
Or I'm starting to get senile.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:57:12 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 12:05:31 PM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists
>>
>> Daud Deden will love this.
>
>I believe we dealt with it a decade ago, when it was published.
>
>Another disadvantage of on-line "research": you're likely not to notice
>the dates of publication.

The date is in the link, and at the top of the article. And I don't do
research. I'm a writer (and a programmer), not a scientist.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On 2021-10-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists

I think the last time this came up I already pointed to the
well-reasoned opposite opinion expressed by Piotr Gąsiorowski:

"Too Many to Communicate"
https://langevo.blogspot.com/2013/04/too-many-to-communicate.html

He concludes that "[w]e have always been multilingual."

I don't have an opinion either way; I think we're still at a stage
where this is unknowable.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

Op 14/10/2021 om 22:57 schreef Christian Weisgerber:
> On 2021-10-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists
>
> I think the last time this came up I already pointed to the
> well-reasoned opposite opinion expressed by Piotr Gąsiorowski:
>
> "Too Many to Communicate"
> https://langevo.blogspot.com/2013/04/too-many-to-communicate.html
>
> He concludes that "[w]e have always been multilingual."
>
> I don't have an opinion either way; I think we're still at a stage
> where this is unknowable.

Yes but I'm sure it's reasonable to classify a "single language origin"
of mankind in the same map of oddities such as the "single cell origin"
of life and the "single individual origin" of any species, say, of mankind.

And by the time man left Africa (how many times?) there should have been
around already a panoply of non- or hardly related idioms.

--
guido wugi

On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:01:48 PM UTC-4, wugi wrote:
> Op 14/10/2021 om 22:57 schreef Christian Weisgerber:
> > On 2021-10-14, Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.pri.org/stories/2011-04-15/worlds-languages-traced-back-single-african-mother-tongue-scientists
> >
> > I think the last time this came up I already pointed to the
> > well-reasoned opposite opinion expressed by Piotr Gąsiorowski:
> >
> > "Too Many to Communicate"
> > https://langevo.blogspot.com/2013/04/too-many-to-communicate.html
> >
> > He concludes that "[w]e have always been multilingual."
> >
> > I don't have an opinion either way; I think we're still at a stage
> > where this is unknowable.
> Yes but I'm sure it's reasonable to classify a "single language origin"
> of mankind in the same map of oddities such as the "single cell origin"
> of life and the "single individual origin" of any species, say, of mankind.
>
> And by the time man left Africa (how many times?) there should have been
> around already a panoply of non- or hardly related idioms.
>
> --
> guido wugi

Yes, the evolution of human language is a living process that began when the tetrapods left the sea with lungs and airtubes and continues today.

Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:
>Yes, the evolution of human language is a living process that began
>when the tetrapods left the sea with lungs and airtubes and continues
>today.

True. Such a pity though that the details of that evolution you refuse
to even look at.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com