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Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?

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On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?
Why didn't mermaids remain aquatic?

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?

Maybe they never were? Maybe they are the inland variant? Maybe
they're the population which wandered inland and started adapting
to the terrestrial environment.

A lot of these populations had to be exactly that: Not aquatic by
the inland descendants of aquatic populations.

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by: DD'eDeN aka not - Sat, 28 May 2022 09:41 UTC

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 10:35:45 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?
> Maybe they never were? Maybe they are the inland variant? Maybe
> they're the population which wandered inland and started adapting
> to the terrestrial environment.
>
> A lot of these populations had to be exactly that: Not aquatic by
> the inland descendants of aquatic populations.
>
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> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/685457185256439808
Yah, jus like A Einstein! Dumb inlander!!

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by: littor...@gmail.com - Sat, 28 May 2022 12:07 UTC

Op zaterdag 28 mei 2022 om 04:35:45 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:

> > Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?

> Maybe they never were? Maybe they are the inland variant?

Yes, probably they're the inland variant of hominid populations in coastal forests around the Ind.Ocean.
Nevertheless, gracile apiths (Pliocene) are typically found in swamp forests, and robust apiths (eaerly-Pleistocene) in wetlands.

But I meant: why didn't apes (who had apith-like ancestors) remain aquarboreal?
Because the Mio-Pliocene coastal/swamp forests have disappeared? ice ages??
Is coastal fossilization less likely than inland fossilization?

Detailed comparisons show:
E.Afr.apiths (afarensis, boisei) were fossil relatives of Gorilla, and S.Afr.apiths (africanus, robustus) of Pan,
IOW, E & S.Afr.apiths evolved in parallel from late-Pliocene "gracile" (afarensis//africanus) to early-Pleistocene "robust (boisei//robustus).
Graciles as well as robusts lived in very specific milieus, but which exactly?
for graciles, google "bonobo wading" & "gorilla bai"??

> Maybe
> they're the population which wandered inland and started adapting
> to the terrestrial environment.
> A lot of these populations had to be exactly that: Not aquatic by
> the inland descendants of aquatic populations.

Yes, we don't know much about Pliocene Homo, but Pleistocene Homo was littoral.
Schematically IMO:
-early-Pleist.H.erectus: extreme POS, large brain, small paranasal sinuses: frequent shallow-diving + back-floating,
-mid-Pleist.H.neand.: less POS, extreme CC (DHA etc.?), very large PNSs: they (seasonally?) followed the rivers inland, diving-wading,
-late-Pleist.H.sapiens: no POS, less large CC, less large PNSs: wading + walking on land.

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>Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?

When the premise is wrong the problem is illusory.

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Op maandag 30 mei 2022 om 15:29:27 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:

> >Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?

> When the premise is wrong the problem is illusory.

Keep running after your kudu, my boy.

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On Mon, 30 May 2022 07:11:57 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com"
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>Op maandag 30 mei 2022 om 15:29:27 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
>
>
>> >Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?
>
>> When the premise is wrong the problem is illusory.
>
>Keep running after your kudu, my boy.

Why does it always have to be kudu?
Why not bushbuck or sitatunga, dik-dik or klipspringer, oribi or
duiker for a change? I mean, there are so many species of antelope in
Africa.
Think of the benefits of a varied diet.

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by: littor...@gmail.com - Mon, 30 May 2022 20:10 UTC

> >Keep running after your kudu, my boy.

> Why does it always have to be kudu?
> Why not bushbuck or sitatunga, dik-dik or klipspringer, oribi or
> duiker for a change? I mean, there are so many species of antelope in
> Africa. Think of the benefits of a varied diet.

:-DDD

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Subject: Re: Why didn't apiths become aquarboreal?
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by: Primum Sapienti - Tue, 31 May 2022 05:06 UTC

Subject	Author
Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	littor...@gmail.com
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	I Envy JTEM
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	littor...@gmail.com
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	Pandora
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	littor...@gmail.com
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	Pandora
Re: Why didn't apiths remain aquarboreal?	littor...@gmail.com
Re: Why didn't apiths become aquarboreal?	Primum Sapienti