"Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
question is how. How did they travel between continents?
Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
this means they were on that coast line. This means they
were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.

To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?

Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
Ape compilation.

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Op zondag 26 juni 2022 om 20:52:32 UTC+2 schreef I Envy JTEM:
> "Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
> perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
> question is how. How did they travel between continents?
> Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
> Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
> this means they were on that coast line. This means they
> were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
> tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
> an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
> coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
> a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.
> To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
> it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
> didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
> one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?
> Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
> that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
> Ape compilation.

Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis, voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
> Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis, voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.

Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
environment makes a great deal more sense to me.

To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
(conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.

It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
DNA."

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On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 2:52:32 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> "Coastal Dispersal." Everyone agrees that Homo (and
> perhaps earlier) spanned the continents so the only
> question is how. How did they travel between continents?
> Well the answer that everyone agrees on is Coastal
> Dispersal. Put short: They followed the beaches! And
> this means they were on that coast line. This means they
> were living there, eating there. They weren't carrying a
> tropical rainforest on their backs, neither were they dragging
> an African savanna behind them. So they were living off the
> coastline, the sea, consuming resources then moving on to
> a more fertile stretch: Aquatic Ape.
>
> To me, that's it. No need to go any further. We all agree that
> it happened that way, even the folks who like to claim that it
> didn't still say that it it (coastal dispersal) so why move even
> one iota beyond what we all agreed is settled?
>
> Would like to see someone's sorter, more concise version of
> that, particularly how I would not be included in any Aquatic
> Ape compilation.
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/688075122732597248

Wanna see my sorter? You're sick, jermy. Drink some cod liver oil.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 5:13:02 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
> > Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis, voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.
> Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
> the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
> adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
> environment makes a great deal more sense to me.
>
> To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
> environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
> evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
> evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
> nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
> inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
> land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
> beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
> to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
> solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
> (conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
> evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.
>
> It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
> DNA."
>
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/686063009321336832
No sleep? Huh.

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[...]

I'm not your parent, teacher or nurse. Just because you are capable of
obsessively compulsively posting bullshit doesn't mean anyone needs
to read it, much less react.

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On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 5:13:02 PM UTC-4, I Envy JTEM wrote:
> > littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Miocene hominoids already dispersed intercontinentally, probably along peri-Tethys coastal forests. But were they already "aquatic apes"??
> > > Pleistocene Homo dispersal was perhaps not only faster, but also different: whereas there are no known indications (AFAIK at least) that Mio-Pliocene apes dived, this was obviously the case in Pleistocene Homo: ear exostoses, pachyosteosclerosis, voluntary breathing, olfactory reduction, external nose, flat feet, stone tools etc.etc. leave no doubt that "archaic" Homo frequently dived (slow-shallow) for sessile foods incl.shellfish.
> > Oh I don't believe it was a one-time thing. In fact, groups from
> > the waterside populations branching off, moving inland &
> > adapting only to "Rediscover," so to speak," the waterside
> > environment makes a great deal more sense to me.
> >
> > To my thinking, a population adapted to the waterside
> > environment has no need to further adapt, absent new
> > evolutionary pressures. We'd only ever expect "Micro"
> > evolutionary forces -- sexual selection, for example --
> > nudging the changes along. But if a group left, formed an
> > inland population, adapted physically & culturally to the dry
> > land, they would certainly retain vestiges of their waterside
> > beginnings but would have to reacquire the "Lifestyle," so
> > to speak. In so doing they'd be more likely to find new
> > solutions to old problems, as well as the competition
> > (conflict?) necessary to fuel a continuance of the
> > evolutionary ride for the existing waterside population.
> >
> > It's "Guns, Germs & Steel" only with "Rocks, Shellfish &
> > DNA."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- --
> >
> > https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/686063009321336832
> No sleep? Huh.
Why don't the savannistas and mermaid wannabees EVER talk about where ancient humans slept? People spend 1/3 of their lives inactive and sleeping. Every single extremist sleeps sheltered, yet they are blind to that reality. Verdammt!