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* What is the difference between grammar and linguistics?S K
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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 23 Dec 2021 13:33 UTC

Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>
>Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>
>With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.

Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:33:53 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
> >On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
> >> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
> >> paper books is sometimes lacking.
> >Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
> >With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
> >holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
> >work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>
> Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.

I find that you have for no reason whatsoever emitted an "Interlingua" word.

I understand that you find no value in anything that was written
more than a few years ago.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Thu, 23 Dec 2021 16:05 UTC

On 2021-12-23 13:33:51 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:

> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:
>
>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>
>>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>>
>> Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>>
>> With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>> holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>> work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>
> Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.

All the references to "hyperligamines" that I can find (in a rapid
search) are in Spanish. I think you mean hyperlinks.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:41:51 AM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Endnotes, however, are the work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book
> or the end of a chapter.

Agreed. So long as you don't consider a bibliography endnotes.

I also agree with Ruud about hyperlinks. Perhaps in some
simpler form than HTML. But since I only write these days
for my own edification I just don't use them.

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On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:05:05 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2021-12-23 13:33:51 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>
> > Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
> >
> >> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >>
> >>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
> >>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
> >>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
> >>
> >> Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
> >>
> >> With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
> >> holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
> >> work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
> >
> > Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
> All the references to "hyperligamines" that I can find (in a rapid
> search) are in Spanish. I think you mean hyperlinks.

If you google it you get Wikiparticles in the .ia version, i.e. Ruud's hobbyhorse.

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 23 Dec 2021 20:09 UTC

Thu, 23 Dec 2021 06:29:01 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:33:53 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
>> >On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> >> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>> >> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>> >> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>> >Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>> >With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>> >holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>> >work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>>
>> Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
>
>I find that you have for no reason whatsoever emitted an "Interlingua" word.

So you can Google!

>I understand that you find no value in anything that was written
>more than a few years ago.

You are very much mistaken.
https://rudhar.com/foneport/en/biblport.htm
https://rudhar.com/lingtics/tuktalvr/
https://rudhar.com/religion/Homaranismo/homaeoia.htm
https://rudhar.com/writings/Multatuli/Ideen/III/
https://rudhar.com/writings/Pessoa/HoraDiab/tradhmia.htm

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 23 Dec 2021 20:22 UTC

Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:05:00 +0100: Athel Cornish-Bowden
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>On 2021-12-23 13:33:51 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>
>> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>>>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>>>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>>>
>>> Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>>>
>>> With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>>> holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>>> work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>>
>> Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
>
>All the references to "hyperligamines" that I can find (in a rapid
>search) are in Spanish. I think you mean hyperlinks.

I wouldn’t even know if it is also Spanish. Would be spelled
ligámines? Anyway, ligamine is the standard Interlingua word for
(hyper)link.

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Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:25:43 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:05:05 AM UTC-5, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2021-12-23 13:33:51 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>>
>> > Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
>> > <gram...@verizon.net> scribeva:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>> >>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>> >>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>> >>
>> >> Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>> >>
>> >> With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>> >> holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>> >> work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>> >
>> > Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
>> All the references to "hyperligamines" that I can find (in a rapid
>> search) are in Spanish. I think you mean hyperlinks.
>
>If you google it you get Wikiparticles in the .ia version, i.e. Ruud's hobbyhorse.

I wouldn't even know what the etymology could be.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ligamen#Latin
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Op 23-12-2021 om 21:22 schreef Ruud Harmsen:
> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:05:00 +0100: Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> scribeva:
>
>> On 2021-12-23 13:33:51 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:
>>
>>> Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:41:44 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
>>> <grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:25:01 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I need a concept like footnotes or endnotes, I use hyperlinks, to a
>>>>> separate notes page if there are many. And I link back, too, which in
>>>>> paper books is sometimes lacking.
>>>>
>>>> Footnotes are on the same page as the reference.
>>>>
>>>> With endnotes, there's the low-tech device called the "finger" that
>>>> holds the place with the reference. Endnotes, however, are the
>>>> work of Satan -- whether at the end of a book or the end of a chapter.
>>>
>>> Obviously you don't understand hyperligamines or the web. Sad.
>>
>> All the references to "hyperligamines" that I can find (in a rapid
>> search) are in Spanish. I think you mean hyperlinks.
>
> I wouldn’t even know if it is also Spanish. Would be spelled
> ligámines? Anyway, ligamine is the standard Interlingua word for
> (hyper)link.

Ligamenten. Ligamentos.
Links are enlaces en Sp.

--
guido wugi

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On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 5:21:45 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:13:31 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
>
> >On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:16:08 AM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> >> Sun, 19 Dec 2021 16:30:27 -0800 (PST): DKleinecke
> >> >> >Incidentally I have a phoneme a majority of English speakers lack - /wh/.
> >> >> >A voiceless /w/.
> >> >On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 10:07:02 PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> >> No, it's /hw/. The Danes still write that: <hvid> is white in their
> >> >> language, although the no longer pronounce the [h]. /hw/ comes from
> >> >> /xw/ in Proto-Germanic, which was /kw/ or /khw/ in PIE.
> >> Sun, 19 Dec 2021 22:09:33 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> >> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >> >*Kwel(o) dwell domeshield mongolu (njambua)ngdualua -> khwel
> >> >gulu@Chn: dome, circle
> >> >culture/colony/eco- inhabit colere@Ltn
> >> >
> >> >Without Paleo-etymology, linguists can only chase their tales.
> >> There's no need to invent a nonsense etymology for this, because it is
> >> as clear as one in IED etymology can be:
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/which
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/what#Etymology
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/hwar
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/hwaz
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/k%CA%B7os
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/k%CA%B7%C3%ADs
> >> etc. etc.
> >>
> >> Compare:
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/were#Etymology_1
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ware#Etymology_1
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/way#Etymology_1
> >> etc. etc.
> >> --
> >> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
> >Onnozelaar. Living proof that ignorance = arrogance.
> >IE is <10ka. It is of far too recent vintage.

> Dunning-Kruger.

Says the expert on nonsense etymology:
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
- > >Without Paleo-etymology, linguists (and wannabe linguists) can only chase their tales.

Says the expert on Paleo-etymology.
DDeden, https://groups.io/g/1WorldofWords/message/28

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