Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual

The total Jewish community in Palestine in 1800 numbered only 7000[1]—the vast majority of them Sephardi Jews, who spoke Ladino (medieval Judeo-Spanish) at home, and Arabic everywhere else. A small minority were Ashkenazi Jews living in kollelim (small Orthodox communities supported by donations from their communities of origin back in Europe), who spoke Yiddish at home.

Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:28:02 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollel
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C

The etymology is well known, why phantasize about it? Words sounding
like kul or kol occur in Hebrew and Arabic, probably general Semitic,
meaning all or whole.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C#Hebrew

Different root, or same?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%83%D9%84#Etymology_1
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C#Hebrew

All the words you mentioned have nothing to do with it. Coincidental
similarity in unrelated language familiies. Always a bad guide in
etymology.

This is what you are doing, not out of ignorance (you were told about
it, repeatedly), but inentionally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology
Quote:
"caused by ERRONEOUS popular suppositions about its etymology."
(my uppercase)
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:58:19 PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:28:02 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollel
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C
Hebrew? Good guess. Collective/bowl of/canada/village/whole/chalice/kylix Qntt/Content/contain/tendency/todo/total Qlt Qll All/full
But distinct from semua/sum/xyuamb

> The etymology is well known, why phantasize about it? Words sounding
> like kul or kol occur in Hebrew and Arabic, probably general Semitic,
> meaning all or whole.
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C#Hebrew
>
> Different root, or same?
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%83%D9%84#Etymology_1
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C#Hebrew
>
> All the words you mentioned have nothing to do with it. Coincidental
> similarity in unrelated language familiies.
Language fantasies, you mean.

Always a bad guide in
> etymology.
>
> This is what you are doing, not out of ignorance (you were told about
> it, repeatedly), but inentionally:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology
> Quote:
> "caused by ERRONEOUS popular suppositions about its etymology."
> (my uppercase)
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
No, not F Etym. not pplr..

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 1:08:07 AM UTC-5, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:58:19 PM UTC-5, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:28:02 -0800 (PST): Daud Deden
> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> > >Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollel
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9C
> Hebrew? Good guess. Collective/bowl of/canada/village/whole/chalice/kylix Qntt/Content/contain/tendency/todo/total Qlt Qll All/full
> But distinct from semua/sum/xyuamb

Sweet!! Big Thanks!!

Links to wheel/wel.l & bottle/both/potli@Azt
xyUAmbUATLay ~ E(b/v)r.y vs n.evr, AXYAL/Which/each/æchual/equally/equate (!!)

Compare Arabic كُلّ‎ (kull), Ge'ez ኵል (kʷəll), Ugaritic 𐎋𐎍 (kl), Phoenician 𐤊𐤋‎ (kl), Akkadian 𒆕𒀀𒁉 (kalûm), Classical Syriac ܟܾܠ‎ (kul). From Proto-Semitic *kʷall- or Proto-Semitic *kull-, ultimately from Proto-Afroasiatic *ʔa-kʷall-.

> > The etymology is well known, why phantasize about it? Words sounding
> > like kul or kol occur in Hebrew and Arabic, probably general Semitic,
> > meaning all or whole.
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C#Hebrew
> >
> > Different root, or same?
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%83%D9%84#Etymology_1
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9B%D7%9C#Hebrew
> >
> > All the words you mentioned have nothing to do with it. Coincidental
> > similarity in unrelated language familiies.
> Language fantasies, you mean.
> Always a bad guide in
> > etymology.
> >
> > This is what you are doing, not out of ignorance (you were told about
> > it, repeatedly), but inentionally:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology
> > Quote:
> > "caused by ERRONEOUS popular suppositions about its etymology."
> > (my uppercase)
> > --
> > Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
> No, not F Etym. not pplr..

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:28:04 PM UTC-5, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual

> The total Jewish community in Palestine in 1800 numbered only 7000[1]—the vast majority of them Sephardi Jews, who spoke Ladino (medieval Judeo-Spanish) at home, and Arabic everywhere else. A small minority were Ashkenazi Jews living in kollelim (small Orthodox communities supported by donations from their communities of origin back in Europe), who spoke Yiddish at home.

Since they still spoke Ladino (aka Judezmo), and some people still do,
it isn't "medieval."

Also, don't confuse kol 'all' with qol 'voice' (and all its cognates
throughout Semitic). /k/ and /q/ are completely different phonemes
and cannot be confused or interchanged.

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:16:27 AM UTC-5, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:28:04 PM UTC-5, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Kollelim@Hbr: collective, calyx?, quota?, quant/qual
>
> > The total Jewish community in Palestine in 1800 numbered only 7000[1]—the vast majority of them Sephardi Jews, who spoke Ladino (medieval Judeo-Spanish) at home, and Arabic everywhere else. A small minority were Ashkenazi Jews living in kollelim (small Orthodox communities supported by donations from their communities of origin back in Europe), who spoke Yiddish at home.
> Since they still spoke Ladino (aka Judezmo), and some people still do,
> it isn't "medieval."

True. Some Cuban Jews here in Miami still speak it.

> Also, don't confuse kol 'all' with qol 'voice' (and all its cognates
> throughout Semitic). /k/ and /q/ are completely different phonemes
> and cannot be confused or interchanged.

Qol call, vocal, canto.r, chant, shanty, llamar *wekwe https://www.etymonline.com/word/*wekw-?ref=etymonline_crossreference

Kol all, full, whole, collective, qua(l/nt)ify, *kel cover all https://www.etymonline.com/word/*kel-