it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?

söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change anything.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change anything.

hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or something ahaha

do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up suddenly at some point in the last few years?

St.Petersburg▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂Beijing mushroom cloud, Xi as Putin's stooge when Russia vaporizes Beijing with its RS-28 Sarmat "Satan II", all because Xi was too dumb to realize you can never trust an insane person

gwen asks why people are angry and fighting

> > On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 9:03:40 AM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
> > >"Putin's Stooge"
> > Angel, Kibo Parry Moron-ey-Volney thinks you can bolt down a city to protect it from Russian Sarmat
> > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:56:20 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
> > > Botfly of Math and Blowfly of Physics "Putin's stooge"
> > >"wasn't bolted down too tight in the first place"
> >
> >reporting in China news the beast criminals of Russia should have been tried in International Court of Justice for war crimes before vaporizing Chinese cities as Putin pushes nuclear buttons.
> >
> >
> > Pentcho Valev spamming as China under Russian Sarmats. Does it remind Pentcho of Nero fiddling while Rome burnt???
> >
> >
> > Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Chongqing, Tianjin, Chengdu, Hangzhou, Nanjing, Wuhan, Xi'An, Suzhou, Harbin, Shenyang, Qingdao, Zhengzhou, Dongguan, Foshan, Dalian, Jinan, Changchun, Hefei
> >
> > Shenzhen▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ Xi as Putin's stooge when Russia vaporizes Shenzhen with its RS-28 Sarmat "Satan II", all because Xi was too dumb to realize you can never trust an insane person
> >
> > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:56:20 PM UTC-5, Volney wrote:
> > > Botfly of Math and Blowfly of Physics "Putin's stooge"
> > >"wasn't bolted down too tight in the first place"
> >
> > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 1:16:55 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > > "Imp of Science"
> > >"not one single marble of commonsense in my entire brain"

> > & wrote:
> > > _And as the Baby Xi grew up, surrounded by concubines, from the rice paddies and reeds of Outer
> > > Manchuria, stolen by the Naxi and Zani Dictator Putin in Moscow, Xi
> > > learned in school in chemical engineering that Taiwan was 1/28 the size
> > > of Outer Manchuria, Emperor Qing's homeland, now occupied by homeless Russians drinking vodka, as Putin bombs Ukraine. And the nascent Xi orders
> > > 1,000 divisions to the Outer Manchuria border to regain back the stolen
> > > > Why Putin is 2X smarter than Xi as dictators// SCIENCE COUNCIL RULES EARTH, not petty dictators
> > > > 2m views
> > > >
> > > >
> > 3> If Putin pushes nuclear buttons, he drags down China along with Russia into a nuclear ash waste pile, and this means Xi is a inferior junior partner to Putin. Putin will drag down Xi's China, never the reverse.
> > > >
> > 4> So, one can look at the present situation on Earth and ask several logical questions about the 2 dictators of Putin's Russia and China's Xi.
> > > >
> > > > It is little wonder that both Russia and China dictators are combative towards the West. Because dictators never want to give up on power but stay in power all their life long. So they oppose the West because the West has grown up to democracy-- let the people have power, not one single idiot having power all his life time.
> > > >
> > 5 > Naturally, Putin will want to keep the Russian people suppressed and have Russia be a second rate government as a dictator. Same goes for China-- they never want to give up power so the people themselves choose their leader.
> > > >
> > > > But can we find differences in Putin and Xi themselves? Well in the West we call the Chinese inscrutable-- meaning -- little logical commonsense. And is this a valid description?? Yes of course, considering that Russia had stolen the lands of Outer Manchuria, some 28 times larger of a land mass than is Taiwan island. Yet there is Xi, spending so much time on wanting to invade Taiwan, when it is Outer Manchuria and Vladivostok (Haishenwai) that he should be focusing attention upon. And while Putin is distracted with Ukraine, is the time for Xi to recapture Outer Manchuria, the Qing dynasty empire, Qing's Manchurian homeland.
> > > >
> > > > What does Xi do instead??? He focuses on Taiwan and befriends Russia. Why, at this rate, if Russia takes Inner Manchuria, we can expect Xi and the Chinese Communist Party to become even more loving of Russia for stealing more land of China.
> > > >
> > > > And there is Xi, whose China has become rich with trading with the West, yet every day, Xi foaming at the mouth in hatred of the West.
> > > >
> > > > So yes, Putin is 2X smarter as a dictator than is Xi, as if Putin has Xi in his side pocket.
> > > >
> > > > Is there some scientific explanation as to why Xi is 2X dumber than Putin?? Perhaps, in that China is densely populated and the air pollution over all of China is worse than most countries. That Xi probably has 1/2 of his brain filled with CO and CO2 isomers and lead, and mercury and nitrous oxide and sulfur dioxide from just living in that air polluted hellhole of Beijing. Xi studied chemistry and should know this. Whereas Putin likely detox..s every evening with breathing in pure oxygen at his residence and takes oxygen breathing tanks to office and work. This easily can explain the light-headed reasoning that Xi and his foreign diplomats Wang Yi display, where Putin plays them like a chess game, --- checkmate in 7 moves.
> > > >
> > > > This explains why Xi hates the West for not stealing any Chinese lands and making China rich in trade, while loving Putin for stealing Outer Manchuria, and proposing having Russia push nuclear buttons, making both Russia and China a nuclear waste site after ICBMs wipe China off the map.
> > > >
> > > > Xi's brain is full of air pollution toxins from the nasty Chinese air. They still build a new coal fired plant in China every day. The air in China is the worst air in the entire world.
> > > >
> > 6 > Why Putin is 2X smarter than Xi as dictators// SCIENCE COUNCIL RULES EARTH, not petty dictators.
> >
> > Pentcho is this what happens to China when they follow the insane Putin, tag-a-long, tag-a-long and then all of a sudden--- dragged into a mushroom cloud
> >
> > Xi Haishenwai red baseball cap offered to Putin
> >
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> > I███████████████████].
> > ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> >
> >
> >
> > Steady aim. Firing the Satellite Rifle to take down GLONASS and BeiDou//Armondikov--Feb 6, 2013 - Via PsyGremlin via PZ Myers, this is Archimedes Plutonium, my new favourite crank hat. SATELLITE LASER RIFLE--bring down GLONASS
> >
> > Sergey Lavrov what would Russia do, once it sees their GLONASS satellites falling out of the sky? Would they exit Ukraine?
> >
> > Easiest way to disable and make ICBMs obsolete is to make their navigation system obsolete.
> >
> > Easiest way to make navigation systems obsolete is to down satellites.
> >
> > Easiest way to down satellites is a Laser beam zapping for 5 seconds on a "satellite panel". And so, down falls the satellite.
> >
> > Now are the satellites coordinated in GLONASS? For if coordinated and synchronized, there is the physical possibility of "if we down one of the satellites, all of GLONASS satellites are downed".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Armondikov
> > Archimedes Plutonium | Spherical Bullshit
> > sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/archimedes-plutonium/‎
> >
> > ◦ Cached
> >
> > Feb 6, 2013 - Via PsyGremlin via PZ Myers, this is Archimedes Plutonium, my new favourite crank hat. I was really fucking surprised to have taken this long to ...
> >
> > Nomen Nescio artwork in use:
> >
> >
> > NATO's most reliable LASER SATELLITE RIFLE
> >
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
> > I███████████████████].
> > ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Special Ops Virgins United Memorial Purple Heart Award:
> >
> >
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> > We want to save our young virgin sharpshooters.
> >
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> > ___________________
> > /| /| | |
> > ||__|| | Please don't |
> > / O O\__ feed |
> > / \ GLONASS satellites a Glurrrgz sockpuppet
> > / \ \ |
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> >
> >
> > [ ] Why didn't we fell GLONASS and BeiDou in 2014 with illegal Crimea annex
> > In loving memory of The Battle Kitten
> > May 2010-February 12, 2017
> >
> > |^|^| |^|^|
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> >
> >
> >
> > Yea, another GLONASS satellite downed
> > Kid : Mom can I go out and watch the satellite.
> > Mom : we called them shooting stars in my day.
> >
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> >
> >
> > GLONASS time clock Award:
> > [ ]
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> >
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> > [ ] Bad News for China, their BeiDou is easier to shoot down with Laser Rifle
> > [ ] than GLONASS and ❄ Snowflake ❄ ❄ Snowflake ❄ as easy as snowflakes
> > [ ]
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Most accurate Laser Rifle Award:
> > [ ] Did You Catch The Hidden Message Behind Sergey Lavrov's speech at UN
> > [ ] Mister Smartypants
> > [ ] Darwinian Finch
> > [ ] just for fun I plotted North Korean BeiDou satellite and shot it down
> >
> >
> > ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
> > ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
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> > ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...
> >
> >
> >
> > has a big LASER SATELLITE RIFLE will shoot to pieces the GLONASS
> > [ ] Another boatload of BeiDou satellites felled
> >
> >
> >
> > Nomen Nescio, artist for Usenet sci.math and sci.physics, three cheers to Nomen
> >
> >
> > GLONASS Award:
> > [ ]
> > [ ]
> > _____
> > .'/L|__`. BEEP BOOP CHIRP PLOP I've been shot down
> > / =[_]O|` \ OPEN ME UP AND YOU'LL FIND
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> >
> > [ ] THE HEART OF % Virgin
> > [ ] Scientists can now quickly link to Xi's Haishenwai red ball caps in shooting down BeiDou and GLONASS
> > [ ] "All for one!" "One for all!" "Every man for himself!"
> > [ ] The Prize-- a date with the cheese skirt queen
> > The hours are approaching rapidly and we need GLONASS either in the dark or best of all-- misfiring their missiles from Russia and striking Russian and Chinese cities. We want Kim Jong-un to see a Russian missile intended for Ukraine to level Pyongyang, all by a hacking into the Intel chips of GLONASS.
> >
> > The mass exodus at Twitter is that they wanted GLONASS to hack, not BeiDou.
> > > Jam all 24 GLONASS satellites of their Intel chips and you wipe out the ability of Russia's fleet of 6,000 ICBM missiles.
> > >
> > >>>> GNS satellites orbit at a high orbit, MUCH higher than
> > > > > > LEO, just not as high as geosynchronous satellites. GPS orbit is 20,200
> > > > > > km, GLONASS is 19,100 km. At such heights, debris will remain
> > > > > > essentially forever, and the satellites won't crash for centuries, if ever.
> > > > > StupidPlutonium, "GPS" receiver chipsets have long been GNSS chipsets
> > > > > that deliver what they believe to be the best data from whatever
> > > > > satellites they happen to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > molesting a countries GNSS satellites would be viewed
> > > > > as an act of war no different from attackiing a navel fleet or bombing a
> > > > > city.
> > > >
> > >>>elude to a Intel chip on GLONASS 24 satellites and all that is needed is to jamm those intel chips and we have 24 malfunctioning satellites, wiping out the navigation of all 6,000 Russian ICBM.
> > > >
> > Skoal!!!
> >
> > Did you get a Xi red baseball cap with Haishenwai on it?
> >
> >
> > Moscow█۞█ blackout, knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> >
> >
> > Ukraine cannot win a war if it has nada, no, zero offense, it needs to knock out Russian electric lines. And the Baltic states can help.
> > Knock out electricity in
> > Novosibirsk
> > Yekaterinburg
> > Novgorod
> > Samara
> > Omsk
> > Kazan
> > Rostov-na-Donu
> > Chelyabinsk
> > Ufa
> > Perm
> >
> >
> > _Every Russian missile fired into Ukraine met with a drone from Ukraine knocking out Moscow electric power lines
> >
> > _Give Ukraine drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> >
> > NO ONE CAN WIN A FIGHT UNLESS THEY HAVE AN OFFENSE!!!!!!
> >
> > NO ONE CAN WIN A FIGHT UNLESS THEY HAVE AN OFFENSE!!!!!!
> >
> > NO ONE CAN WIN A FIGHT UNLESS THEY HAVE AN OFFENSE!!!!!!
> >
> > _No one can win a fight or war without any offense, West, Biden give Ukraine drones that knock out electricity inside Russia
> >
> > _End the Ukraine war by March 2023 as the Russian people depose the dictator
> >
> > _rolling electric blackouts and give Iran to Iraq-- a blooming democracy, not a stupid dictator
> >
> > _And as the Baby Xi grew up from the rice paddies and reeds of Outer Manchuria, stolen by the Naxi and Zani Dictator Putin in Moscow, Xi learned in school in chemical engineering that Taiwan was 1/28 the size of Outer Manchuria, as Putin bombs Ukraine. And the nascent Xi orders 1,000 divisions to the Outer Manchuria border to regain back the stolen Old China.
> >
> > _Xi has 1,000 divisions on Vladivostok border ready to swoop in and reclaim the stolen land of Outer Manchuria. See reconnaissance photo above of 1,000 divisions.
> >
> > NATO and the West has just two good options here, for Putin should have been removed in 2006 with Litvinenko poisoning. Now the insane Putin can poison the entire world with a nuclear war. Putin needed to go in 2006, for insanity just gets worse and worse.
> >
> > Either
> > (1) give Ukraine drones to knock out electric power in Moscow and beyond
> > Or
> > (2) give Ukraine NATO membership and tell Russia to clear out in a week or NATO forces go in and clear them out.
> >
> > Of course, every day Putin and Russia needs reminding that if he presses nuclear buttons or nuclear bomb on Ukraine that Russia will be a nuclear ash pile before the day is out.
> >
> > What should have been done in 2006, unfortunately that delay to 2022. Same can be said of Hitler-- he should have been removed in the early 1930s before his insanity got going.
> >
> > & wrote:
> > > _And as the Baby Xi grew up from the rice paddies and reeds of Outer
> > > Manchuria, stolen by the Naxi and Zani Dictator Putin in Moscow, Xi
> > > learned in school in chemical engineering that Taiwan was 1/28 the size
> > > of Outer Manchuria, Emperor Qing's homeland, now occupied by homeless Russians drinking vodka, as Putin bombs Ukraine. And the nascent Xi orders
> > > 1,000 divisions to the Outer Manchuria border to regain back the stolen
> > > > Why Putin is 2X smarter than Xi as dictators// SCIENCE COUNCIL RULES EARTH, not petty dictators
> > > > 2m views
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 2> If Putin pushes nuclear buttons, he drags down China along with Russia into a nuclear ash waste pile, and this means Xi is a inferior junior partner to Putin. Putin will drag down Xi's China, never the reverse.
> >
> > > > > 2/1, AP tards:
> > > > > > Give Ukraine drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/2, AP tards:
> > > > > > Give Ukraine drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/3, AP tards:
> > > > > > Every Russian missile fired into Ukraine met with a drone from Ukraine knocking out Moscow electric power lines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Give Ukraine drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/4, AP tards:
> > > > > > drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/9 (vacation?), AP tards:
> > > > > > drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/9, AP tards (again):
> > > > > > drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/10, AP tards:
> > > > > > drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/11, AP tards:
> > > > > > drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/12, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/12, AP tards again:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/13, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/14, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/15, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/16, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/17, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/18, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/19, AP tards:
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/20, AP tards:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Electricity out Novosibirsk &Volgograd█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/22, AP tards:
> > > > > > Moscow electric blackout█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/23, AP tards:
> > > > > > Moscow electric blackout█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/24, AP tards:
> > > > > > Moscow electric blackout█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/25, AP tards:
> > > > > > Moscow electric blackout█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/26, AP tards:
> > > > > > Moscow electric blackout█۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█
> > > > > > _drones █۞█knock out Moscow electric power lines█۞█ Moscow, St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok no electricity
> > > > >

söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 23:03:39 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> > This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change anything.
> hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or something ahaha
>
> do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up suddenly at some point in the last few years?
It was gradual. When the cranks took over, people fled. sci.math.research is still good.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:19:47 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 23:03:39 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > > > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> > > This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change anything.
> > hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or something ahaha
> >
> > do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up suddenly at some point in the last few years?
> It was gradual. When the cranks took over, people fled. sci.math.research is still good.

ok glad i didn't go there first then thank you i'll check it out & be more respectful

måndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 01:22:44 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:19:47 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> > söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 23:03:39 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51 PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> > > > > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why? could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> > > > This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change anything.
> > > hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or something ahaha
> > >
> > > do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up suddenly at some point in the last few years?
> > It was gradual. When the cranks took over, people fled. sci.math.research is still good.
> ok glad i didn't go there first then thank you i'll check it out & be more respectful
Otherwise, you always have SE and mathoverflow.

>"gwen w" <gwendolyn.whelan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0-9442-162821fcd8f9n@googlegroups.com...
>On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
>> s�ndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
>> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why?
>> > could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
>> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change
>> anything.

>hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot
>theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or
>something ahaha

Not since 20 years ago.

>do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up
>suddenly at some point in the last few years?

Slowly over many years.

They say that there's always one who spoils it for others.
In this case more than one but they can be counted on less than two hands.

It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to find
than it once was.
And this isn't Google Groups.

måndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 02:11:28 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
> >"gwen w" <gwendoly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0...@googlegroups.com...
> >On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> >> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why?
> >> > could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> >> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change
> >> anything.
>
> >hi markus, sorry for just barging in here with apparently one more crackpot
> >theory, i assumed it would be full of dignified professional acadepics or
> >something ahaha
> Not since 20 years ago.
> >do you know how it got this bad? did all these weird posts strat showing up
> >suddenly at some point in the last few years?
> Slowly over many years.
>
> They say that there's always one who spoils it for others.
> In this case more than one but they can be counted on less than two hands..
>
> It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to find
> than it once was.
> And this isn't Google Groups.
If you search "sci.math", the Google Groups is the first result. It's also how I use it.

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m�ndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 02:11:28 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
>> >"gwen w" <gwendoly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0...@googlegroups.com...
>> >On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> s�ndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
>> >> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why?
>> >> > could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
>> >> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change
>> >> anything.
>>
....
>>
>> It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to
>> find
>> than it once was.
>> And this isn't Google Groups.
>If you search "sci.math", the Google Groups is the first result. It's also
>how I use it.

Yes I know, it's how most people use it, but most people wouldn't know what
sci.math is and so are unlikely to Google it.
Removing Google from the picture would be a good thing but I know that isn't
going to happen any time soon.

måndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 16:02:37 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
> >"markus...@gmail.com" <markus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:c06ad993-c36f-43f6...@googlegroups.com...
> måndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 02:11:28 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
> >> >"gwen w" <gwendoly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0...@googlegroups.com...
> >> >On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
> >> >> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why?
> >> >> > could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
> >> >> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change
> >> >> anything.
> >>
> ...
> >>
> >> It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to
> >> find
> >> than it once was.
> >> And this isn't Google Groups.
> >If you search "sci.math", the Google Groups is the first result. It's also
> >how I use it.
> Yes I know, it's how most people use it, but most people wouldn't know what
> sci.math is and so are unlikely to Google it.
> Removing Google from the picture would be a good thing but I know that isn't
> going to happen any time soon.
Isn't Google hosting sci.math?

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My 250th published book.

TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY; H2 is the hydrogen Atom and water is H4O, not H2O// Chemistry

by Archimedes Plutonium (Author) (Amazon's Kindle)

Prologue: This textbook is 1/2 research history and 1/2 factual textbook combined as one textbook. For many of the experiments described here-in have not yet been performed, such as water is really H4O not H2O. Written in a style of history research with date-time markers, and fact telling. And there are no problem sets. This book is intended for 1st year college. Until I include problem sets and exercises, I leave it to the professor and instructor to provide such. And also, chemistry is hugely a laboratory science, even more so than physics, so a first year college student in the lab to test whether Water is really H4O and not H2O is mighty educational.

Preface: This is my 250th book of science, and the first of my textbooks on Teaching True Chemistry. I have completed the Teaching True Physics and the Teaching True Mathematics textbook series. But had not yet started on a Teaching True Chemistry textbook series. What got me started on this project is the fact that no chemistry textbook had the correct formula for water which is actually H4O and not H2O. Leaving the true formula for hydroxyl groups as H2O and not OH. But none of this is possible in Old Chemistry, Old Physics where they had do-nothing subatomic particles that sit around and do nothing or go whizzing around the outside of balls in a nucleus, in a mindless circling. Once every subatomic particle has a job, task, function, then water cannot be H2O but rather H4O. And a hydrogen atom cannot be H alone but is actually H2. H2 is not a molecule of hydrogen but a full fledged Atom, a single atom of hydrogen.

Cover Picture: Sorry for the crude sketch work but chemistry and physics students are going to have to learn to make such sketches in a minute or less.. Just as they make Lewis diagrams or ball & stick diagrams. My 4-5 minute sketch-work of the Water molecule H4O plus the subatomic particle H, and the hydrogen atom H2. Showing how one H is a proton torus with muon inside (blue color) doing the Faraday law. Protons are toruses with many windings. Protons are the coils in Faraday law while muons are the bar magnets. Neutrons are the capacitors as parallel plates, the outer skin cover of atoms.

Product details
• ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CCLPTBDG
• Publication date ‏ : ‎ July 21, 2023
• Language ‏ : ‎ English
• File size ‏ : ‎ 784 KB
• Text-to-Speech ‏ : ‎ Enabled
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• Enhanced typesetting ‏ : ‎ Enabled
• X-Ray ‏ : ‎ Not Enabled
• Word Wise ‏ : ‎ Enabled
• Sticky notes ‏ : ‎ On Kindle Scribe
• Print length ‏ : ‎ 160 pages

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> måndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 16:02:37 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
>>> "markus...@gmail.com" <markus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:c06ad993-c36f-43f6...@googlegroups.com... måndag 31 juli 2023 kl.
>>> 02:11:28 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
>>>>> "gwen w" <gwendoly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0...@googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> söndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
>>>>>>> it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask why?
>>>>>>> could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
>>>>>> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can change
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>> ...
>>>>
>>>> It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to
>>>> find
>>>> than it once was.
>>>> And this isn't Google Groups.
>>> If you search "sci.math", the Google Groups is the first result. It's also
>>> how I use it.
>> Yes I know, it's how most people use it, but most people wouldn't know what
>> sci.math is and so are unlikely to Google it.
>> Removing Google from the picture would be a good thing but I know that isn't
>> going to happen any time soon.
> Isn't Google hosting sci.math?

It's an NNTP group, GG just participates.

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>m�ndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 16:02:37 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
>> >"markus...@gmail.com" <markus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:c06ad993-c36f-43f6...@googlegroups.com...
>> m�ndag 31 juli 2023 kl. 02:11:28 UTC+2 skrev John Smith:
>> >> >"gwen w" <gwendoly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:00764659-6ec3-4bd0...@googlegroups.com...
>> >> >On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:45:51?PM UTC-4, markus...@gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> s�ndag 30 juli 2023 kl. 20:43:10 UTC+2 skrev gwen w:
>> >> >> > it seems like people are angry and fighting in here. may i ask
>> >> >> > why?
>> >> >> > could i help de-escalate somehow? what's even going on?
>> >> >> This has been an echo chamber for years. I don't think you can
>> >> >> change
>> >> >> anything.
>> >>
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> It's slowly getting better because Google Groups is now much harder to
>> >> find
>> >> than it once was.
>> >> And this isn't Google Groups.
>> >If you search "sci.math", the Google Groups is the first result. It's
>> >also
>> >how I use it.
>> Yes I know, it's how most people use it, but most people wouldn't know
>> what
>> sci.math is and so are unlikely to Google it.
>> Removing Google from the picture would be a good thing but I know that
>> isn't
>> going to happen any time soon.
>Isn't Google hosting sci.math?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

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> > > > +Proving Water is H4O, not H2O, and where hydroxyl is H2O// AP's 250th book TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY, by Archimedes Plutonium Now I see some of these electronic weighing scales are accurate to 0.00001 gram. I do not know if that is within
>
> > > > +Proving Water is H4O, not H2O, and where hydroxyl is H2O// AP's 250th book TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY, by Archimedes Plutonium Now I see some of these electronic weighing scales are accurate to 0.00001 gram. I do not know if that is within
> > > >
> > > > 3m views Proving Water is H4O, not H2O, and where hydroxyl is H2O// AP's 250th book TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY, by Archimedes Plutonium
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now I see some of these electronic weighing scales are accurate to 0.00001 gram. I do not know if that is within the accuracy I need for weighing a test tube of oxygen then a test tube of hydrogen from water electrolysis.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Proving Water is H4O, not H2O, and where hydroxyl is H2O// AP's 250th book TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY, by Archimedes Plutonium
> > > >
> > > > In Old Chemistry and Old Physics, their subatomic particles were do nothing and no function and no job particles that sit around as balls or whiz around the outside of balls doing nothing but pointless circling.
> > > >
> > > > In New Physics and New Chemistry-- All is Atom and Atoms are nothing but electricity and magnetism. Every subatomic particle has a job a function a purpose as to the Laws of Electromagnetism--- Faraday law, Coulomb law, Ampere law, Capacitor law.
> > > >
> > > > A proton is a torus of 840MeV with 840 windings, while the muon is the true electron of Atoms and is encased inside the proton torus thrusting through and producing electricity-- magnetic monopoles.
> > > >
> > > > The neutron of Atoms is a parallel plate capacitor storing the electricity of proton+muon and is skin cover on the outside of the proton torus in the form of parallel plates.
> > > >
> > > > Can hydrogen be a Atom if it is just a proton+muon? No, all atoms require to have a capacitor such as at least one neutron. Thus the Hydrogen Atom is H2 where you have 2 proton+muon where 1 of the 2 proton+muon acts like a neutron to the other proton+muon. Thus, water molecule is not H2O but rather is H4O.
> > > >
> > > > AP is waiting for experimental chemists and physicists to prove him correct that Water is H4O.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime we have Hydroxyl which in Old Chemistry, especially Biology is OH, while AP says that is wrong and that is really H2O.
> > > >
> > > > Now glycerine is a hydroxyl with formula C3H8O3. And what I am thinking at this moment, is that hydroxyls will be an easier proof that Water is truly H4O, rather than wait for experimentalists to actually "weigh the electrolysis test tubes of oxygen and hydrogen".
> > > >
> > > > You see, with H4O as water, glycerine is C3(2 waters)O with an extra oxygen. If Water is H2O then glycerine is C3(4 waters) deficit O. It is missing an oxygen if water is H2O.
> > > >
> > > > The reason glycerine is so effective as a skin ointment is because it has glycerine, the extra O oxygen. If water were H2O, then glycerine would be a missing oxygen and not a skin lotion that works, but makes skin even more dry.
> > > >
> > > > Proving Water is H4O, not H2O, and where hydroxyl is H2O// AP's 250th book TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY, by Archimedes Plutonium
> > > >
> > > > Archimedes Plutonium<plutonium....@gmail.com>
> > > > 12:24 AM (13 hours ago)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > to Plutonium Atom Universe
> > > >
> > > > --- quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---
> > > > Perhaps there is only two Faraday laws on Electrolysis. I am looking at the one that states: Faraday's first law of electrolysis relates the mass of a substance liberated (or deposited) at an electrode to the electric charge used (Q). A proportionality constant Z can be used:
> > > >
> > > > m = ZQ = (E/96485)(Q)
> > > >
> > > > m = mass, Q = total charge rewritten as Q = I*t amperes x time in seconds.
> > > >
> > > > This website gives an example: 5amps passed through molten Sodium Chloride for 3 hours. Calculate the mass of Sodium. E=23/1.
> > > >
> > > > m = (23/96485) (5) (3*60*60) approx 12.87 grams.
> > > >
> > > > --- end quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---
> > > >
> > > > Now has such a experiment been performed on Water to see how much atomic mass of hydrogen and of oxygen results??? If AP is correct, the formula of water is H4O, if Old Physics, Old Chemistry is correct the formula is H2O. So which is it???
> > > >
> > > > AP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, sorry no, Faraday's Law of Electrolysis is not going to tell the correct mass of hydrogen.
> > > >
> > > > Reading Wikipedia on Faraday's Electrolysis law.
> > > >
> > > > --- quoting Wikipedia ---
> > > > A monovalent ion requires 1 electron for discharge, a divalent ion requires 2 electrons for discharge and so on. Thus, if x electrons flow,
> > > > x/v atoms are discharged.
> > > >
> > > > So the mass m discharged is
> > > >
> > > > m= (xM)/vN_A) = (QM)/(eN_A *v) = (QM) / (vF)
> > > > where
> > > > N_A is the Avogadro constant;
> > > > Q = xe is the total charge, equal to the number of electrons (x) times the elementary charge e;
> > > > F is the Faraday constant.
> > > > --- end quoting Wikipedia ---
> > > >
> > > > No, the Faraday law of Electrolysis will not work on water with a correct answer, because H is not an atom but H2 is an Atom. And where one of the proton+muon converts to being a neutron to the other proton+muon.
> > > >
> > > > So if Faraday's law of Electrolysis was applied to water, thinking it would deliver a true answer is mistaken because the one H converts to neutron.
> > > >
> > > > So it appears that we need to directly measure the test tube of oxygen and the test tube of hydrogen by a direct mass measurement.
> > > >
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> > > > I doubt we can measure a test tube of hydrogen or test tube of oxygen, too small to determine the mass on some sort of weight scale.
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> > > > But here is a possible lucrative idea. We should be able to get pure deuterium water. Then run the electrolysis. Collect the test tubes.
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> > > > Now have some sort of balancing beam weight scale. Place the regular water of hydrogen test tube on one side, and place the deuterium water hydrogen test tube on other side. If they stay balanced, then AP is correct and Water is really H4O.
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> > > > Cosmic Rays from Sun
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> > > > 90% of Sun's cosmic rays are 840MeV proton+muon inside = H. The hydrogen Atom is H2 where one of the H proton+muon converts to being a neutron.
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> > > > When these proton+muon hit Earth atmosphere, they can turn into pions and muons.
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> > > > I commented that H alone is a subatomic particle and that makes sense in the idea that Sun's cosmic rays are 90% these proton+muon.
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> > > > Now is interstellar hydrogen H2 and intergalactic hydrogen H2 formed when one H cosmic ray joins up with another H cosmic ray to form H2 atom?
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> > > > Is this how we get H2 in outer space? From the splitting apart of H2 into H cosmic rays?
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> > > > So how much of the Sun's hydrogen is H2 and how much is H ready to join with another H and reform back into H2. Probably little of the Sun's H is H alone, and the vast majority of the Sun's hydrogen is H2.
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> > > > How much deuterium in the Sun? And it is a higher percentage than the deuterium in water on Earth?
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> > > > Water is the only known non-metallic substance that expands when if freezes; its density decreases and it expands approximately 9% by volume. (Source: web Lunar and Planetary Institute)
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> > > > I have to wait for experimental chemists and physicists to weigh the mass of test tubes from electrolysis, as to the verdict-- water is H4O.
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> > > > But until that news comes in, I will look for other means of proof.
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> > > > So AP says that the H2 is not a molecule but is the hydrogen Atom itself, where one proton+muon converts to a neutron and capacitates the other proton+muon which undergo the Faraday law.
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> > > > There are subatomic particles of H in the form of Cosmic Rays from the Sun, but most of the Sun's hydrogen is H2, and flips back and forth from H to rejoining to form H2. Some gets away from the Sun and is cosmic rays..
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> > > > But H2 is an Atom and H is a fleeting subatomic particle.
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> > > > So can I prove Water is H4O from the data of Spectral lines of H2 is the same as deuterium, only slight difference is that the deuterium is a full fledged neutron not a makeshift proton+muon of H.
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> > > > I suspect that special trait of water freezing is a proof that Water is H4O. Because the 840MeV proton torus with muon inside doing the Faraday law acting as a makeshift neutron capacitor for the other 840MeV proton torus with muon inside, is where H2 gets that expansion characteristic.
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> > > > A neutron is a parallel plate capacitor and those plates can expand when frozen temperature occurs. As the temperature gets colder, those plates move further apart.
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> > > > Now does deuterium which truly has a full neutron, does it expand also when frozen?? If so, does it expand as much as H2 which is 2 protons with 2 muons inside?
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> > > > So comparing the freezing and expansion of the parallel plates of a neutron in deuterium with the freezing and expansion of one of the proton+muon that is acting as a makeshift neutron in H2.
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> > > > If I can numbers correlate the H2 expansion with the Deuterium expansion would be a alternative proof that Water is really H4O and not H2O.
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> > > > So now on Blankenship's book "Molecular Mechanisms of Photosynthesis", 2014, page 134, shows The structure of ATP, ADP, AMP. And within that structure are OH hydroxyls.
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> > > > In New Chemistry, water is truly H4O, and where hydroxyls are now H2O. And we have first proof of this in the Figure 8.1 of Blankenship's "Chemical structure of ATP".
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> > > > For in the lower left corner of the diagram, Blankenship has a H+ all alone, (really a mindless error) and has P surrounded by O-, O-, O and OH. The OH is really H2O for hydroxyls are H2O and water itself is H4O, and that would leave that mindless H+ as being hydrogen Atom of H2.
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> > > > The world of physics and chemistry should drop what they are doing and weigh the electrolysis test tube of hydrogen and oxygen to discover the correct true formula of water is H4O.
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> > > > AP is total confident, becuase an Atom cannot exist if it has no capacitor structure such as a neutron, or one of the H in H2 acting as a neutron. I am totally confident that Water formula is truly H4O. And I need look only to methane of H4C, to realize that there is no HC, no H2C, no H3C, but starts with H4C, and that tells me water starts with H4O. Totally confident that Old Chemistry, Old Physics did electrolysis experiments and the moment they saw hydrogen test tube be 2x volume of oxygen test tube, they dropped their work and went out for a Danish and coffee break, rather than finish their work--- actual physics weighing of atomic mass units (not the Faraday electrolysis law for it does not apply to water).
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> > > > When water electrolysis is physics weighed, AP is confident that there are 4H per every one oxygen O. And that Water is truly H4O.
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> > > > On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> > > > > Now I see some of these electronic weighing scales are accurate to 0.00001 gram. I do not know if that is within the accuracy I need for weighing a test tube of oxygen then a test tube of hydrogen from water electrolysis.
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> > > > Now modern day physics and chemist experimenters can really do a marvelous job if they wanted to. For they could freeze the test tubes of oxygen and hydrogen to where they are liquid and compare liquids from water electrolysis.
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> > > > So, what AP is saying here is that we do electrolysis of water. We collect the two test tubes, one with oxygen the other with hydrogen.
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> > > > To prove Water is truly the formula H4O and not H2O we must weigh the masses of the two tubes to find that the ratio is 1 x 16amu to 4 x 1amu.
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> > > > The silly grotesque science error of the past was to look at volumes in the two test tubes-- "Hey-- the hydrogen is twice the volume of oxygen so the formula of water is H2O".
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> > > > No, way was that science good practice. For the correct formula of water needs to be measured by mass, by atomic mass units where Oxygen is 16amu and hydrogen is 1amu.
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> > > > I suspect a balance beam scale is good enough to see the hydrogen test tube will be 1/4 as massive as the oxygen test tube. To get within precision of electronic weighing scale of 0.00001 gram we just have to make a larger test tube of electrolysis of water.
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> > > > AP is betting that the readings will be hydrogen test tube 1/4 the mass of oxygen test tube proving Water formula is truly H4O.
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> > > > Old Physics and Old Chemistry is betting that the mass experiment will have the hydrogen test tube be 1/8 the mass of the oxygen test tube, proving Water formula is H2O.
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> > > > AP does not have these precision equipment to conduct an at-home experiment of this nature.
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> > > > So, once Water is found to actually be H4O, not H2O, we move on to methane, and ask the same question of its hydrogen bonds. Is Methane really that of H8C and not H4C.
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> > > > Well, looking in the literature for anomalies to methane, I come across a arXiv "Low and high-temperature anomalies in the physical properties of solid methane "The anomalous behavior of thermodynamic, spectral, plastic, elastic and some other properties of solid methane is discussed near 20..48K and...
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> > > > AP wonders: if they can get methane to solid form, well, I am then hopeful that the mass of the molecule can be determined. Because if methane is truly H8C, that difference of H4 in atomic mass units would be very much noticeable difference.
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> > > > Chemistry Europe--
> > > > "The Anomalous Deuterium Isotope Effect in the NMR Spectrum of Methane...
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> > > > P Vermeeren, 2023
> > > > "The abnormally long and weak methylidyne C-H bond.."
> > > > "The C-H bond of the methylidyne radical, CH*, is abnormally long and weak, even longer and..."
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> > > > AP asks, are these anomalies solved if we consider methane is actually H8C and not H4C?
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> My 250th published book.
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> TEACHING TRUE CHEMISTRY; H2 is the hydrogen Atom and water is H4O, not H2O// Chemistry
> by Archimedes Plutonium (Author) (Amazon's Kindle)
> Prologue: This textbook is 1/2 research history and 1/2 factual textbook combined as one textbook. For many of the experiments described here-in have not yet been performed, such as water is really H4O not H2O. Written in a style of history research with date-time markers, and fact telling. And there are no problem sets. This book is intended for 1st year college. Until I include problem sets and exercises, I leave it to the professor and instructor to provide such. And also, chemistry is hugely a laboratory science, even more so than physics, so a first year college student in the lab to test whether Water is really H4O and not H2O is mighty educational.
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> Preface: This is my 250th book of science, and the first of my textbooks on Teaching True Chemistry. I have completed the Teaching True Physics and the Teaching True Mathematics textbook series. But had not yet started on a Teaching True Chemistry textbook series. What got me started on this project is the fact that no chemistry textbook had the correct formula for water which is actually H4O and not H2O. Leaving the true formula for hydroxyl groups as H2O and not OH. But none of this is possible in Old Chemistry, Old Physics where they had do-nothing subatomic particles that sit around and do nothing or go whizzing around the outside of balls in a nucleus, in a mindless circling. Once every subatomic particle has a job, task, function, then water cannot be H2O but rather H4O. And a hydrogen atom cannot be H alone but is actually H2. H2 is not a molecule of hydrogen but a full fledged Atom, a single atom of hydrogen.
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> Cover Picture: Sorry for the crude sketch work but chemistry and physics students are going to have to learn to make such sketches in a minute or less. Just as they make Lewis diagrams or ball & stick diagrams. My 4-5 minute sketch-work of the Water molecule H4O plus the subatomic particle H, and the hydrogen atom H2. Showing how one H is a proton torus with muon inside (blue color) doing the Faraday law. Protons are toruses with many windings. Protons are the coils in Faraday law while muons are the bar magnets. Neutrons are the capacitors as parallel plates, the outer skin cover of atoms.
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> Product details
> • ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CCLPTBDG
> • Publication date ‏ : ‎ July 21, 2023
> • Language ‏ : ‎ English
> • File size ‏ : ‎ 784 KB
> • Text-to-Speech ‏ : ‎ Enabled
> • Screen Reader ‏ : ‎ Supported
> • Enhanced typesetting ‏ : ‎ Enabled
> • X-Ray ‏ : ‎ Not Enabled
> • Word Wise ‏ : ‎ Enabled
> • Sticky notes ‏ : ‎ On Kindle Scribe
> • Print length ‏ : ‎ 160 pages
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