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Re: Trolls and anti trols hot issues about fiction numbers in mathematics

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Subject: Re: Trolls and anti trols hot issues about fiction numbers in mathematics
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 by: bassam karzeddin - Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:39 UTC

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 2:57:39 PM UTC+2, Bassam Karzeddin wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 3:40:05 PM UTC+3, Bassam Karzeddin wrote:
> > It is really sad that how are those majorities whom they do recognize themselves as wise as not being trolls nor anti trolls, acting silently or unnoticeably to ensure safety situation for themselves as if the hot issues are not an announced war against their fiction mathematics
> >
> > Ignoring the simplest content of the issue where they must spot it immediately with too little commonsense only and also raise up any new truth or contradiction found in the current teaching system
> >
> > But the truths supposedly would soon win and regardless who would be the winner
> >
> > And in this case those described as wise people would be the greatest unnoticeable losers ever, since their turn was so negative by ignoring the so obvious new facts and protecting the common global ignorance, for security reasons (may be if they were professionals), or for egoistic reasons that their understanding turns incomplete or flawed, or may be for the same huge main reason which is unfortunately the ignorance
> >
> > So, if anything useful spring up from those described as trolls or anti trolls discussions, then those are the people behind it, and the silent majority should stay silent as unnoticeable as always as ever
> >
> > To support my so simple mentioned point of view, I shall summaries it in a very little words that I am quite sure even a clever school student can comprehend it in just few minutes but oddly not by top mathematicians, top Journals, Top universities, (I wonder!) , even though (I am a civil engineer and not a professional mathematician nor like to be so)
> >
> > Let may claim so simply that (positive real numbers are only constructible)
> > , and other well established numbers in mathematics such as positive real (algebraic and transcendental) numbers are actually fabricated and unreal numbers
> >
> > And let us see how the clever school student can so easily debunk them as fabricated and unreal numbers immediately
> > And regardless who claimed this first, or who proved first, (this is another issue)
> >
> > where (in future), some chosen professional mathematicians would certainly find and fabricate many old tangible references and proceed, especially if facts become so obvious to almost every one, and the political authority mathematicians allowed them to establish it
> >
> > Of course this claim sounds so crazy or so cranky to the professional mathematicians, and the claimer must be troll, and the anti toll debates would continue as disgusting game, and the real makers of the new facts must be lost then.
> >
> > At least those described as trolls or anti trolls seem to waste all their lives in the hot issues, where they are the real players in correcting the mathematics against the well established mathematics that is too difficult to be self corrected by the professionals themselves since they are too captured by those wrong definitions
> > The school student then might ask, how this can be explained then.
> >
> > The teacher may simply ask him then, how do you unusually EXPRESS your numbers as (pi), (e), and the cube root of two,$\sqrt[3]{2}$, in our digital decimal 10base number system (for simplicity)
> >
> > The clever student would say symbolically in 10base number system and decimal form (n.m), where, the dot (.) represent the decimal notation, (n) is finite integer, and (m) is integer with infinite sequence of digits - not terminating with zero digits after the decimal notation – from their well established definition as being generally irrational numbers (but not constructible)
> >
> > The teacher: Is there any other way to comprehend them (other than symbolically in mind – that does not mean anything except naming the numbers)
> >
> > The clever student: impossible (according to the specific given question)
> >
> > The teacher, how then those numbers are being unreal numbers?
> >
> > The clever student: Consider (pi), (e), or the arithmetical cube root of two $\sqrt[3]{2}$, or $\sqrt[7]{5}$, Then their only unique form in decimal 10base number system can be so simply represents as an approximate fraction as this:
> > (N / 10^m), where, (m) is positive integer and (N) is positive integer with (m + 1) digits,
> >
> > The teacher asks: how can then we obtain their exact value?
> >
> > The clever student answers “it is impossible”
> >
> > The teacher was so astonished, why?
> >
> > The clever student laughed at his teacher and replied with too much condiment, hell, cannot you still see it so clearly, it is shining like a star debunking itself by itself, wonder!
> >
> > The teacher got so angry, cannot see anything yet, and shouted, show me stupid what do you mean!
> >
> > The clever student: smiled and started explaining the ever simplest logic to his famous teacher:
> >
> > If you want exact value then you would require your (m) positive integer to be integer with infinite sequence of digits, same for (N) integer applies,
> >
> > But, this is obviously impossible and also forbidden in the Holy Grail principles of mathematics!
> >
> > He added, therefore our expressible numbers are actually only rationales, no mattered however long they are, even if each trillion of digits can be stored only in one (mm) cube, and we have billion of galaxies to store them, they would be always and forever (rational numbers only), which is not that irrational numbers defined only (in mind)
> >
> > You can also play well now the same trick (Teacher) on that fake representation of a constructible number and show easily that (1 =/= 0.999…. ), (6/7 =/= 0.875142875142…. ), (1/3 =/= 0.333… ),
> > (sqrt(2) =/= 1.14142135623… ),
> > Even those numbers are real existing numbers, since they are simply constructible numbers!
> >
> > Do you get it teacher now, how so simple is the fiction number?
> >
> > The teacher, even you are completely right, I would prefer living with those fiction numbers forever!
> >
> > So, stay away teachers, and keep silent and unnoticeable, since this not basically your holy war against the fiction in mathematics
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Bassam King Karzeddin
> > 03, Jan., 2017

It is quite unbelievable 😳 when the vast majorities of world academic proffessional mathematicians are infact the same old inhebetars who are spoilng & ruining the science of mere mathematics beside ALL other theoretical sciences FOR SURE

BKK

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