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 by: Arnaud Fournet - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:46 UTC

Le vendredi 1 avril 2022 à 23:46:50 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> the rest of the data:
>
> Proto-IE: *mems-

should be *meH1-ms-

> Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> Meaning: meat, flesh
> Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> Albanian: miš Fleisch

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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
From: fournet....@wanadoo.fr (Arnaud Fournet)
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 by: Arnaud Fournet - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:49 UTC

Le lundi 11 avril 2022 à 18:06:19 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le vendredi 1 avril 2022 à 23:46:50 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > the rest of the data:
> > >
> > > Proto-IE: *mems-
> > should be *meH1-ms-
> > > Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> > > Meaning: meat, flesh
> > > Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> > > Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> > > Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> > > Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> > > Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> > > Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> > > Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> > > Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> > > Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> > > Albanian: miš Fleisch
> that is ok.
>
> is english "meat" from PIE?

Personally I believe in Kordlandt's system,
and logically, the roots *med- and *meH1- are variants,
so the word "meat" is indeed inherited.

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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
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 by: Daud Deden - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:09 UTC

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 4:49:18 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> Le lundi 11 avril 2022 à 18:06:19 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > Le vendredi 1 avril 2022 à 23:46:50 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > > the rest of the data:
> > > >
> > > > Proto-IE: *mems-
> > > should be *meH1-ms-
> > > > Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> > > > Meaning: meat, flesh
> > > > Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> > > > Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> > > > Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> > > > Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> > > > Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> > > > Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> > > > Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> > > > Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> > > > Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> > > > Albanian: miš Fleisch
> > that is ok.
> >
> > is english "meat" from PIE?
> Personally I believe in Kordlandt's system,
> and logically, the roots *med- and *meH1- are variants,
> so the word "meat" is indeed inherited.

Mensurate measure from Ltn mensura
Mamsa portion of meat Sanskrit

https://www.etymonline.com/word/*me-#etymonline_v_52683

The sharing/apportioning of food by provider, meat being parts of the animal.

xyuambuatl !hxaro shares/charges (of) meat/meal/water (rights), sievings split from body/buatlay

Originally it did not identify specific tissue, just the relative amount of food distributed/exchanged.

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 by: Daud Deden - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:27 UTC

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:09:23 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 4:49:18 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le lundi 11 avril 2022 à 18:06:19 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > Le vendredi 1 avril 2022 à 23:46:50 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > > > the rest of the data:
> > > > >
> > > > > Proto-IE: *mems-
> > > > should be *meH1-ms-
> > > > > Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> > > > > Meaning: meat, flesh
> > > > > Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> > > > > Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> > > > > Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> > > > > Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> > > > > Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> > > > > Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> > > > > Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> > > > > Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> > > > > Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> > > > > Albanian: miš Fleisch
> > > that is ok.
> > >
> > > is english "meat" from PIE?
> > Personally I believe in Kordlandt's system,
> > and logically, the roots *med- and *meH1- are variants,
> > so the word "meat" is indeed inherited.
> Mensurate measure from Ltn mensura
> Mamsa portion of meat Sanskrit
>
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/*me-#etymonline_v_52683
>
> The sharing/apportioning of food by provider, meat being parts of the animal.
>
> xyuambuatl !hxaro shares/charges (of) meat/meal/water (rights), sievings split from body/buatlay
>
> Originally it did not identify specific tissue, just the relative amount of food distributed/exchanged.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/29987/what-is-the-etymology-of-board-as-found-in-room-and-board
Board referred to a portable tabletop or plank on which food was set. But why board, from where? Wood ~ food (tray)
Mbuatl: meat meal food board port/door portion/part buah/fruit mesa/meja

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 by: Dingbat - Mon, 22 Aug 2022 01:02 UTC

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 4:09:23 PM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 4:49:18 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le lundi 11 avril 2022 à 18:06:19 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > Le vendredi 1 avril 2022 à 23:46:50 UTC+2, S K a écrit :
> > > > > the rest of the data:
> > > > >
> > > > > Proto-IE: *mems-
> > > > should be *meH1-ms-
> > > > > Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> > > > > Meaning: meat, flesh
> > > > > Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> > > > > Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> > > > > Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> > > > > Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> > > > > Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> > > > > Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> > > > > Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> > > > > Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> > > > > Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> > > > > Albanian: miš Fleisch
> > > that is ok.
> > >
> > > is english "meat" from PIE?
> > Personally I believe in Kordlandt's system,
> > and logically, the roots *med- and *meH1- are variants,
> > so the word "meat" is indeed inherited.
> Mensurate measure from Ltn mensura
> Mamsa portion of meat Sanskrit
>
> https://www.etymonline.com/word/*me-#etymonline_v_52683
>
maMsa where M is a so-called archiphoneme.
In this word, in order to be to be homorganic with the [s] that follows,
M is realized as [n] by Hindi speakers, i.e., [mAns].
Alternatively, [mA~s].
Hindi speakers drop the terminal /a/ that was present in Sanskrit.

FWIW, it's [mAms@m] in Malayalam.
>
> The sharing/apportioning of food by provider, meat being parts of the animal.
>
> xyuambuatl !hxaro shares/charges (of) meat/meal/water (rights), sievings split from body/buatlay
>
> Originally it did not identify specific tissue, just the relative amount of food distributed/exchanged.

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