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Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html

How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?

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On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
>
> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?

Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?

Spoken language began when genus Homo moved to the ground in sheltered social groups, but complex language may have evolved very gradually (in parallel with simple hand tools and later complex tools).

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by: Dingbat - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:34 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> > https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
> >
> > How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
>
Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.
>
> Spoken language began when genus Homo moved to the ground in sheltered social groups,
> but complex language may have evolved very gradually (in parallel with simple hand tools
> and later complex tools).

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by: Ross Clark - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:16 UTC

On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>>> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
>>> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
>>>
>>> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
>> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
>>
> Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
> Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
> Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
> a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.

The point of origin of both red and purple arrows, as shown on this map,
is in the Persian Gulf. India is one of the terminal points of red
arrows, along with east and southeast Asia, central Siberia and
southeastern Europe (the last apparently extinct). I can't see any
justification for calling the red arrow that reaches Siberia "Indian".

>>
>> Spoken language began when genus Homo moved to the ground in sheltered social groups,
>> but complex language may have evolved very gradually (in parallel with simple hand tools
>> and later complex tools).

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by: Daud Deden - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 23:19 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> >>> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> >>> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
> >>>
> >>> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
> >> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
> >>
> > Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
> > Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
> > Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
> > a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.
> The point of origin of both red and purple arrows, as shown on this map,
> is in the Persian Gulf. India is one of the terminal points of red
> arrows, along with east and southeast Asia, central Siberia and
> southeastern Europe (the last apparently extinct). I can't see any
> justification for calling the red arrow that reaches Siberia "Indian".

'Partly Persio-Proto-Pakistani', perhaps?

> >>
> >> Spoken language began when genus Homo moved to the ground in sheltered social groups,
> >> but complex language may have evolved very gradually (in parallel with simple hand tools
> >> and later complex tools).

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:57 UTC

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:19:38 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> > >>> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> > >>> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
> > >>> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
> > >> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
> > > Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
> > > Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
> > > Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
> > > a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.
> > The point of origin of both red and purple arrows, as shown on this map,
> > is in the Persian Gulf. India is one of the terminal points of red
> > arrows, along with east and southeast Asia, central Siberia and
> > southeastern Europe (the last apparently extinct). I can't see any
> > justification for calling the red arrow that reaches Siberia "Indian".
>
> 'Partly Persio-Proto-Pakistani', perhaps?

What the hell does "Proto-Pakistani" mean? The name "Pakistan"
was coined early in the 20th century from the names of several
Indic-speaking Muslim provinces of British India.

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by: Daud Deden - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 00:57 UTC

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:57:42 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:19:38 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>
> > > >>> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> > > >>> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
> > > >>> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
> > > >> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
> > > > Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
> > > > Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
> > > > Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
> > > > a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.
> > > The point of origin of both red and purple arrows, as shown on this map,
> > > is in the Persian Gulf. India is one of the terminal points of red
> > > arrows, along with east and southeast Asia, central Siberia and
> > > southeastern Europe (the last apparently extinct). I can't see any
> > > justification for calling the red arrow that reaches Siberia "Indian".
> >
> > 'Partly Persio-Proto-Pakistani', perhaps?
> What the hell does "Proto-Pakistani" mean? The name "Pakistan"
> was coined early in the 20th century from the names of several
> Indic-speaking Muslim provinces of British India.
So when did the name India get applied to the region of today's Pakistan?

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Subject: Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
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by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:39 UTC

On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 8:57:55 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:57:42 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:19:38 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> > > 'Partly Persio-Proto-Pakistani', perhaps?
> > What the hell does "Proto-Pakistani" mean? The name "Pakistan"
> > was coined early in the 20th century from the names of several
> > Indic-speaking Muslim provinces of British India.
>
> So when did the name India get applied to the region of today's Pakistan?

Well before Alexander the Great got there ca. 300 BCE.

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 12:41 UTC

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 8:39:36 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 8:57:55 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 10:57:42 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 7:19:38 PM UTC-4, daud....@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > 'Partly Persio-Proto-Pakistani', perhaps?
> > > What the hell does "Proto-Pakistani" mean? The name "Pakistan"
> > > was coined early in the 20th century from the names of several
> > > Indic-speaking Muslim provinces of British India.
> >
> > So when did the name India get applied to the region of today's Pakistan?
>
> Well before Alexander the Great got there ca. 300 BCE.

typo: ca. 330 BCE

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by: Dingbat - Fri, 15 Apr 2022 22:59 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:16:52 PM UTC-7, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> >>> Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE | phys.org
> >>> https://phys.org/news/2022-04-population-hub-africa-east-asian.html
> >>>
> >>> How far back does spoken language go? Any way to tell?
> >> Partly Indian? I don't understand. Are you saying the hub was near India?
> >>
> > Look at the red arrows. They originate from an area that Iranian lore calls
> > Airya land of which the easternmost region mentioned was in what is now
> > Pakistan. Siberians of the time came partly from a red arrow and partly from
> > a purple arrow and as per the narrative, some of them migrated to America.
> The point of origin of both red and purple arrows, as shown on this map,
> is in the Persian Gulf. India is one of the terminal points of red
> arrows, along with east and southeast Asia, central Siberia and
> southeastern Europe (the last apparently extinct). I can't see any
> justification for calling the red arrow that reaches Siberia "Indian".
> >>
> >> Spoken language began when genus Homo moved to the ground in sheltered social groups,
> >> but complex language may have evolved very gradually (in parallel with simple hand tools
> >> and later complex tools).

Not subcontinental India. india was originally a Greek term. This is a map of Greek India:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom#/media/File:Map_of_the_Indo-Greeks.png

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:26 UTC

On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:59:30 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:16:52 PM UTC-7, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > On 13/04/2022 6:34 a.m., Dingbat wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:49:53 AM UTC-7, daud....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 4:28:57 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

That's centuries too late to be relevant to the question. They wrote
their Iranian language in the Greek alphabet with one extra letter. I
mentioned it in my 2014 Munich talk, which finally got published here,
(c) 2021:

https://brill.com/view/title/59207

Herodotus already knew about India, which the Greeks named for
the Indus River. Same name as Hind and Sind, depending on IE dialect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_(Herodotus)

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Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Dingbat
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Daud Deden
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Dingbat
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \|	Ross Clark
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Daud Deden
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Peter T. Daniels
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Daud Deden
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Peter T. Daniels
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Peter T. Daniels
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Dingbat
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Peter T. Daniels
Re: Partly Indian origin of Native Americans goes back to 45k BCE \| phys.org	Daud Deden