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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
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 by: Dingbat - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 02:12 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-7, S K wrote:
> the rest of the data:
>
> Proto-IE: *mems-
> Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> Meaning: meat, flesh
> Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> Albanian: miš Fleisch

Meat is from Germanic where it meant food,, not flesh.

<<At that time it was degrading to sit at meat with Samaritans.>>
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/554927/how-did-a-word-that-meant-food-come-to-mean-meat-flesh-of-animals

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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
From: daud.de...@gmail.com (Daud Deden)
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 by: Daud Deden - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:17 UTC

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:12:32 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 2:46:50 PM UTC-7, S K wrote:
> > the rest of the data:
> >
> > Proto-IE: *mems-
> > Nostratic etymology: Nostratic etymology
> > Meaning: meat, flesh
> > Tokharian: B mīsa 'meat, flesh' (Adams 464)
> > Old Indian: māṁs-, mās-, māṁsá- n. `flesh, meat'
> > Armenian: mis, gen. msoy `Fleisch'
> > Old Greek: mē̂niŋks, - iŋgos f. `Haut, Häutchen, bes. Hirnhaut'; mēró-s, pl. mērói̯/mē̂ra m. `der obere fleischige Teil des Schenkels, Schenkelbein'
> > Slavic: *mę̄̀so; *mę̄zdrā́
> > Baltic: *meñs-ā̂ f.
> > Germanic: *mimz-á- n.
> > Latin: membrum, -ī n. `Körperglied; Glied, Teil'; membrāna f. `dünne, zarte Haut, Häutchen'
> > Celtic: OIr mīr `Bissen'
> > Albanian: miš Fleisch
> Meat is from Germanic where it meant food,, not flesh.
>
> <<At that time it was degrading to sit at meat with Samaritans.>>
> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/554927/how-did-a-word-that-meant-food-come-to-mean-meat-flesh-of-animals

Eat food = makan makanan (Mly).
Eat meat = makan daging (Mly).

Meat, meal both from mashing/masticating of food; related to mating surfaces, thus || meet.
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 by: Helmut Richter - Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:17 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, Dingbat wrote:

> Meat is from Germanic where it meant food,, not flesh.
>
> <<At that time it was degrading to sit at meat with Samaritans.>>
> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/554927/how-did-a-word-that-meant-food-come-to-mean-meat-flesh-of-animals

A more telling example is the use of the term “meat offering” in the King
James Version of the Bible (Leviticus 2): a meat (now: food) offering is
the only offering where *no* meat (then: flesh) is offered.

--
Helmut Richter

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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
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 by: Dingbat - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 06:39 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:17:44 AM UTC-7, Helmut Richter wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, Dingbat wrote:
>
> > Meat is from Germanic where it meant food,, not flesh.
> >
> > <<At that time it was degrading to sit at meat with Samaritans.>>
> > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/554927/how-did-a-word-that-meant-food-come-to-mean-meat-flesh-of-animals
> A more telling example is the use of the term “meat offering” in the King
> James Version of the Bible (Leviticus 2): a meat (now: food) offering is
> the only offering where *no* meat (then: flesh) is offered.
>
> --
Thanks. In the NIV Bible, it has changed to grain offering.

“'When anyone brings a grain offering to the Lord, their offering is to be of the finest flour

I comment:
Technically, a whole grain is not meat; only the edible portion under the husk is meat.
If it's ground to flour, that implies that it's grain with the husk removed.

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Subject: Re: is "meat" Indo-European?
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 by: Daud Deden - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:19 UTC

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 2:39:09 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:17:44 AM UTC-7, Helmut Richter wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022, Dingbat wrote:
> >
> > > Meat is from Germanic where it meant food,, not flesh.
> > >
> > > <<At that time it was degrading to sit at meat with Samaritans.>>
> > > https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/554927/how-did-a-word-that-meant-food-come-to-mean-meat-flesh-of-animals
> > A more telling example is the use of the term “meat offering” in the King
> > James Version of the Bible (Leviticus 2): a meat (now: food) offering is
> > the only offering where *no* meat (then: flesh) is offered.
> >
> > --
> Thanks. In the NIV Bible, it has changed to grain offering.
>
> “'When anyone brings a grain offering to the Lord, their offering is to be of the finest flour
>
> I comment:
> Technically, a whole grain is not meat; only the edible portion under the husk is meat.
> If it's ground to flour, that implies that it's grain with the husk removed.

Only wheat made flour, other grains made meal, iirc.

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