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* Re: "frexit"??Ruud Harmsen
+* Re: "frexit"??Arnaud Fournet
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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 07:44 UTC

>>* Bebercito:
>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.

>Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:59:57 -0400: Quinn C
><lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>
>>Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?

Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:37:46 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:
>I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends in /z/,
>while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in /s/. I didn't
>know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for bringing this up.

Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/? It
is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play with
'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has /s/
according to dictionaries.

In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which also
makes more sense.)
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Arnaud Fournet - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:02 UTC

Le jeudi 21 avril 2022 à 09:44:45 UTC+2, Ruud Harmsen a écrit :
> >>* Bebercito:
> >>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.
>
> >Wed, 20 Apr 2022 20:59:57 -0400: Quinn C
> ><lispa...@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
> >
> >>Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?
>
> Thu, 21 Apr 2022 09:37:46 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <r...@rudhar.com>
> scribeva:
> >I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends in /z/,
> >while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in /s/. I didn't
> >know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for bringing this up.
>
> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/? It
> is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play with
> 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has /s/
> according to dictionaries.
>
> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which also
> makes more sense.)
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
As regards z vs s, a huge blunder in the film "Once in America" is the scene in the supposedly French restaurant where the dish-bringer pronounces dessert as *dezer, which is laughable.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:14 UTC

On 21/04/22 17:44, Ruud Harmsen wrote:

> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a/z/?
> It is supposed to end in/s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too
> has/s/ according to dictionaries.
>
> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
> right:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
> also makes more sense.)

This computer can't do UTube, so I can't check their pronunciation. I'll
just confine myself to pointing out that there are at least two kinds of
bass.

As a musical term, bass rhymes with base, as in "all your base are
belong to us". If you're referring to the fish, though, bass rhymes with
BrE "ass". (But not with AmE "ass", which has a longer vowel.)

But of course with an [s] in both cases.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: CDB - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:02 UTC

On 4/21/2022 3:44 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>>> * Bebercito:

>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.

>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?

>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends in
>> /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in /s/. I
>> didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for bringing this
>> up.

> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/?
> It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has
> /s/ according to dictionaries.

I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
influence the sound a little.

> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
> also makes more sense.)

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:48 UTC

>Le jeudi 21 avril 2022 à 09:44:45 UTC+2, Ruud Harmsen a écrit :
>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
>> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
>> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/? It
>> is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play with
>> 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has /s/
>> according to dictionaries.
>>
>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
>> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
>> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which also
>> makes more sense.)

Thu, 21 Apr 2022 04:02:30 -0700 (PDT): Arnaud Fournet
<fournet.arnaud@wanadoo.fr> scribeva:
>As regards z vs s, a huge blunder in the film "Once in America" is the scene in the supposedly French restaurant where the dish-bringer pronounces dessert as *dezer, which is laughable.

Merriam Webster mentions that as one of the possible pronunciations in
English: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dessert

And Collins even gives it as the _only_ pronunciation for British
English: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dessert

I do know it is wrong, because in Dutch, we follow the true French
version for this.

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:49 UTC

Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:14:49 +1000: Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> scribeva:

>On 21/04/22 17:44, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
>> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
>> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a/z/?
>> It is supposed to end in/s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
>> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too
>> has/s/ according to dictionaries.
>>
>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
>> right:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
>> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
>> also makes more sense.)
>
>This computer can't do UTube, so I can't check their pronunciation. I'll
>just confine myself to pointing out that there are at least two kinds of
>bass.
>
>As a musical term, bass rhymes with base, as in "all your base are
>belong to us". If you're referring to the fish, though, bass rhymes with
>BrE "ass". (But not with AmE "ass", which has a longer vowel.)
>
>But of course with an [s] in both cases.

OK, thanks.

The fishy meaning I think doesn't fit in the lyrics.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:54 UTC

Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:02:38 -0400: CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On 4/21/2022 3:44 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>>>> * Bebercito:
>
>>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.
>
>>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?
>
>>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends in
>>> /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in /s/. I
>>> didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for bringing this
>>> up.
>
>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
>> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
>> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/?
>> It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
>> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has
>> /s/ according to dictionaries.
>
>I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
>influence the sound a little.

That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
assimilate in such cases.

Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)

>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
>> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
>> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
>> also makes more sense.)

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Daud Deden - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:37 UTC

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 8:54:25 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:02:38 -0400: CDB <belle...@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On 4/21/2022 3:44 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >>> Quinn C <lispa...@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
> >>>> * Bebercito:
> >
> >>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.
> >
> >>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?
> >
> >>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends in
> >>> /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in /s/. I
> >>> didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for bringing this
> >>> up.
> >
> >> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
> >> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
> >> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/?
> >> It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
> >> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has
> >> /s/ according to dictionaries.
> >
> >I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
> >influence the sound a little.
> That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
> assimilate in such cases.
>
> Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
> Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
> https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)
> >> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
> >> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
> >> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
> >> also makes more sense.)
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Hypothetically, a harbor town linking two bays could be called Baysport, plausibly pronounced Bayz port.
Cf Brandsmart electronics store: brandz mart, not brand smart.

Otherwise, base, bass, bayside have the ss ending.

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:24 UTC

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:14:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>As a musical term, bass rhymes with base, as in "all your base are
>belong to us". If you're referring to the fish, though, bass rhymes with
>BrE "ass". (But not with AmE "ass", which has a longer vowel.)
>

? To me, the fish "bass" *does rhyme with the AmE "ass."

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 by: wugi - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 16:04 UTC

Op 21/04/2022 om 9:48 schreef Ruud Harmsen:
>> Le jeudi 21 avril 2022 à 09:44:45 UTC+2, Ruud Harmsen a écrit :
>>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass -
>>> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
>>> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a /z/? It
>>> is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play with
>>> 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too has /s/
>>> according to dictionaries.
>>>
>>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
>>> right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan Trainor -
>>> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which also
>>> makes more sense.)
>
> Thu, 21 Apr 2022 04:02:30 -0700 (PDT): Arnaud Fournet
> <fournet.arnaud@wanadoo.fr> scribeva:
>> As regards z vs s, a huge blunder in the film "Once in America" is the scene in the supposedly French restaurant where the dish-bringer pronounces dessert as *dezer, which is laughable.
>
> Merriam Webster mentions that as one of the possible pronunciations in
> English: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dessert
>
> And Collins even gives it as the _only_ pronunciation for British
> English: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/dessert
>
> I do know it is wrong, because in Dutch, we follow the true French
> version for this.

"Fous déssirez un dézert?"
seems perfect Germans' French from some movies like La Grande Vadrouille.

--
guido wugi

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 by: lar3ryca - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 17:39 UTC

On 2022-04-21 05:14, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 21/04/22 17:44, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk  (All About That Bass -
>> Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom are
>> American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with a/z/?
>> It is supposed to end in/s/, no? Perhaps there is some word play
>> with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but that too
>> has/s/ according to dictionaries.
>>
>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do it
>> right:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk  (Meghan Trainor -
>> All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass", no? Which
>> also makes more sense.)
>
> This computer can't do UTube, so I can't check their pronunciation.

Do tell. No browser? Parental controls? Outgoing firewall?

> As a musical term, bass rhymes with base, as in "all your base are
> belong to us". If you're referring to the fish, though, bass rhymes with
> BrE "ass". (But not with AmE "ass", which has a longer vowel.)

Rhymes for me, and My ass rhymes with the USian ass.

> But of course with an [s] in both cases.

Right.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 00:59 UTC

On 22/04/22 03:39, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-04-21 05:14, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> This computer can't do UTube, so I can't check their pronunciation.
>>
>
> Do tell. No browser? Parental controls? Outgoing firewall?

No audio. I could watch YouTube, but it's not very interesting without
the sound.

I bought it as a refurbished PC. That's a good way to get a cheap
computer, but of course there's not a wide choice of what features you
are going to get.

The lack of audio rarely bothers me, because that's not what I wanted
the computer for.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 01:06 UTC

On 22/04/22 01:24, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:14:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>> As a musical term, bass rhymes with base, as in "all your base are
>> belong to us". If you're referring to the fish, though, bass rhymes
>> with BrE "ass". (But not with AmE "ass", which has a longer
>> vowel.)
>
> ? To me, the fish "bass" *does rhyme with the AmE "ass."

Yes. I see that I need to revise what I wrote.

When talking about the fish,
BrE "bass" [b&s] rhymes with BrE "ass" [&s]
AmE "bass" [b&:s] rhymes with AmE "ass" [&:s]

The point I wanted to make is that [&s] does not rhyme with [&:s], but I
expressed it badly.

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 by: CDB - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:07 UTC

On 4/21/2022 8:54 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>>>>> * Bebercito:

>>>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.

>>>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?

>>>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends
>>>> in /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in
>>>> /s/. I didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for
>>>> bringing this up.

>>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass
>>> - Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom
>>> are American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with
>>> a /z/? It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some
>>> word play with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but
>>> that too has /s/ according to dictionaries.

>> I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
>> influence the sound a little.

> That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
> assimilate in such cases.

> Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
> Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
> https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)

Maybe PeterTD has a point, then. They could be doing it to avoid hissing.

>>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do
>>> it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan
>>> Trainor - All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass",
>>> no? Which also makes more sense.)

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 by: CDB - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 13:20 UTC

On 4/21/2022 8:54 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>>>>> * Bebercito:

>>>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.

>>>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?

>>>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends
>>>> in /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in
>>>> /s/. I didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for
>>>> bringing this up.

>>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass
>>> - Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom
>>> are American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with
>>> a /z/? It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some
>>> word play with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but
>>> that too has /s/ according to dictionaries.

>> I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
>> influence the sound a little.

> That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
> assimilate in such cases.

> Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
> Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
> https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)

This occurred to me after I had sent the other response: they may be
making a pun. "Bay" is a slang word, mostly used in Black English as a
term of endearment, and short for "baby". The plural of "bay" would be
[bejz], and both you and Ross have commented on the ambiguity of their
pronunciation of "that" (which would rule out a plural) and "the" (which
wouldn't).

>>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do
>>> it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan
>>> Trainor - All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass",
>>> no? Which also makes more sense.)
>

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 14:37 UTC

Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:07:12 -0400: CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:
>On 4/21/2022 8:54 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
>> assimilate in such cases.
>
>> Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
>> Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
>> https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)

>Maybe PeterTD has a point, then. They could be doing it to avoid hissing.

Unlikely, simply because they keep /s/'es that according to the Dutch
rules have to remain [s].

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 14:38 UTC

Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:20:54 -0400: CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On 4/21/2022 8:54 AM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:
>>> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>>> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> scribeva:
>>>>>> * Bebercito:
>
>>>>>>> Nor "Miss", when they are 53 as in the case at hand.
>
>>>>>> Nobody suggested that. Do you need to look up "Ms"?
>
>>>>> I did, and found that, interestingly, the pronunciation ends
>>>>> in /z/, while Miss (different word, different meanings) ends in
>>>>> /s/. I didn't know that. Never too old to learn. Thanks for
>>>>> bringing this up.
>
>>>> Speaking of which, I wonder why the woman singers in
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk (All About That Bass
>>>> - Postmodern Jukebox European Tour Version) most or all of whom
>>>> are American, I think, so native speakers, pronounce 'bass' with
>>>> a /z/? It is supposed to end in /s/, no? Perhaps there is some
>>>> word play with 'base' (meaning the lower part of the body), but
>>>> that too has /s/ according to dictionaries.
>
>>> I heard [bejs]. The word is often followed by "not", which may
>>> influence the sound a little.
>
>> That's just my point, it shouldn't, not in English, English doesn't
>> assimilate in such cases.
>
>> Dutch does, which is an endless source of pronunciation errors among
>> Dutch speakers trying to speak English.
>> https://rudhar.com/fonetics/bneender.htm (in Dutch)
>
>This occurred to me after I had sent the other response: they may be
>making a pun. "Bay" is a slang word, mostly used in Black English as a
>term of endearment, and short for "baby". The plural of "bay" would be
>[bejz], and both you and Ross have commented on the ambiguity of their
>pronunciation of "that" (which would rule out a plural) and "the" (which
>wouldn't).

Interesting idea.

>>>> In the original version, Meghan Trainor, also American, does do
>>>> it right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PCkvCPvDXk (Meghan
>>>> Trainor - All About That Bass; but she actually sings "the bass",
>>>> no? Which also makes more sense.)
>>

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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