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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Thu, 14 Apr 2022 06:48 UTC

Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:11:35 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:

>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=399922901604844
>At about 1m00s, General Keane said:
>"Secretory Blinken"
>
>Is that a usual thing to say in American English, secretory? Not
>secretary?
>
>Or just an incidental, unusual error?

In British English, the word has three syllables:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/secretary

In American English, the word has four syllables, with a secondary
stress on the syllable that is missing or compressed in British:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretary

When the r in that syllable becomes more conspicuous, as in the speech
of some Americans, it can almost sound like -or- to my ears, although
it probably isn't. I hear that tendency, although not as clear as in
the speech of the general, also in the example by Merriam Webster.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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In article <4hgf5htmv6pkhdo9leg6ktebc0giblgg8u@4ax.com>,
Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:11:35 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
>scribeva:
>
>>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=399922901604844
>>At about 1m00s, General Keane said:
>>"Secretory Blinken"
>>
>>Is that a usual thing to say in American English, secretory? Not
>>secretary?
>>
>>Or just an incidental, unusual error?
>
>In British English, the word has three syllables:
>https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/secretary
>
>In American English, the word has four syllables, with a secondary
>stress on the syllable that is missing or compressed in British:
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretary
>
>When the r in that syllable becomes more conspicuous, as in the speech
>of some Americans, it can almost sound like -or- to my ears, although
>it probably isn't. I hear that tendency, although not as clear as in
>the speech of the general, also in the example by Merriam Webster.
>--
>Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Isn't this a general property of -ory words?
inventory, purgatory, promontory, inflammatory?

--
Reinier Post

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 by: Ruud Harmsen - Sun, 8 May 2022 13:41 UTC

Sun, 08 May 2022 14:53:00 +0200: rp@rp-OptiPlex-755.(none) (Reinier
Post) scribeva:

>In article <4hgf5htmv6pkhdo9leg6ktebc0giblgg8u@4ax.com>,
>Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>>Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:11:35 +0200: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
>>scribeva:
>>
>>>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=399922901604844
>>>At about 1m00s, General Keane said:
>>>"Secretory Blinken"
>>>
>>>Is that a usual thing to say in American English, secretory? Not
>>>secretary?
>>>
>>>Or just an incidental, unusual error?
>>
>>In British English, the word has three syllables:
>>https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/secretary
>>
>>In American English, the word has four syllables, with a secondary
>>stress on the syllable that is missing or compressed in British:
>>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretary
>>
>>When the r in that syllable becomes more conspicuous, as in the speech
>>of some Americans, it can almost sound like -or- to my ears, although
>>it probably isn't. I hear that tendency, although not as clear as in
>>the speech of the general, also in the example by Merriam Webster.
>>--
>>Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
>
>Isn't this a general property of -ory words?
>inventory, purgatory, promontory, inflammatory?

Dunno.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

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