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by: henh...@gmail.com - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:18 UTC

(Irish, and HE = Hiberno-English)

[gone on me] means something different. -- (close to the opposite in meaning, but prob ultimately from the same Irish expression)

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> from P. W. Joyce (1910)
>
> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34251/34251-h/34251-h.htm
>
> I once heard a grandmother—an educated Dublin lady—say, in
> a charmingly petting way, to her little grandchild who came up
> crying:—'What did they do to you on me—did they beat you on me?'

PWJoyce {Page 28} -------- There is an idiomatic use of the Irish preposition [air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or claim.

Thus, ---------- Do bhuail Seumas mo ghadhar orm

_____________ [ where [orm] is [air me] ],

'James struck my dog on me,' where on me means to my detriment, in
violation of my right, &c. Chaill sé mo sgian orm; 'he lost my knife on me.'

______________________

maybe this [on me] is used by James Joyce

-- Arrah, give over your bloody codding, Joe, says I. I've a thirst on
me I wouldn't sell for half a crown.
-- Give it a name, citizen, says Joe.

re: [Give it a name] ------------ What does this mean? i'd guess it means [Get a drink]

_______________________

[air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or claim.

---------------- in English, one way to indicate this sentiment (modality) is...

[ The guy fuc..ing took my laptop. ]

maybe [on me] is used in (std) American English

_______________________

in Jp, this sentiment (modality) is... expressed using modality-markers.
( i'm thinking of 3 or 4 of them -- more in dialects)

a Jp modality-marker is like a Verb-suffix or Verb-conjugation.

What is this [on me] (sentiment) -- modality-marker in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

What's the reverse ("for me", to my benefit) ?

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by: HenHanna - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 08:26 UTC

henh...@gmail.com wrote:

> (Irish, and HE = Hiberno-English)

> [gone on me] means something different. -- (close to the opposite in meaning, but prob ultimately from the same Irish expression)

> ____________________

>> from P. W. Joyce (1910)
>>
>> https://www.gutenberg.org/files/34251/34251-h/34251-h.htm
>>
>> I once heard a grandmother—an educated Dublin lady—say, in
>> a charmingly petting way, to her little grandchild who came up
>> crying:—'What did they do to you on me—did they beat you on me?'

> PWJoyce {Page 28} -------- There is an idiomatic use of the Irish preposition [air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or claim.

> Thus, ---------- Do bhuail Seumas mo ghadhar orm

> _____________ [ where [orm] is [air me] ],

> 'James struck my dog on me,' where on me means to my detriment, in
> violation of my right, &c. Chaill sé mo sgian orm; 'he lost my knife on me.'

> ______________________

> maybe this [on me] is used by James Joyce

> -- Arrah, give over your bloody codding, Joe, says I. I've a thirst on
> me I wouldn't sell for half a crown.
> -- Give it a name, citizen, says Joe.

> re: [Give it a name] ------------ What does this mean? i'd guess it means [Get a drink]

> _______________________

> [air], 'on,' before a personal pronoun or before a personal name and after an active verb, to intimate injury or disadvantage of some kind, a violation of right or claim.

> ---------------- in English, one way to indicate this sentiment (modality) is...

> [ The guy fuc..ing took my laptop. ]

> maybe [on me] is used in (std) American English

> _______________________

> in Jp, this sentiment (modality) is... expressed using modality-markers.
> ( i'm thinking of 3 or 4 of them -- more in dialects)

> a Jp modality-marker is like a Verb-suffix or Verb-conjugation.

> What is this [on me] (sentiment) -- modality-marker in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

> What's the reverse ("for me", to my benefit) ?

> HH

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[air], 'on,' ----- Mordality marker	henh...@gmail.com
Re: [air], 'on,' ----- Mordality marker	HenHanna