On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 05:57:20 UTC, Rich wrote:
> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-ai-tools-making-images-look-better-20230823/

I thought this had already been done and called upscaling on TV to display SD or HD TVs
and maybe SD-HD on unltra HD TVs.

On 2024-01-03 09:14, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 05:57:20 UTC, Rich wrote:
>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-ai-tools-making-images-look-better-20230823/
>
> I thought this had already been done and called upscaling on TV to display SD or HD TVs
> and maybe SD-HD on unltra HD TVs.

Those used mathematical signal processing techniques that were cast in
concrete. Well code anyway.

AI "trains" the models based on millions (or billions) of images and
then that is used in lieu (or in support) of the old techniques. The
devil is in the details.

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On 2024-01-03, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 05:57:20 UTC, Rich wrote:
>> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-ai-tools-making-images-look-better-20230823/
>
> I thought this had already been done and called upscaling on TV to display SD or HD TVs
> and maybe SD-HD on unltra HD TVs.

This is different from simple upscaling, which has a number of
algorithms. There are more advanced algorithms in use by Radeon and
NVidia, e.g., FSR 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 for getting higher framerates out of
games. AI tools like Topaz are inserting detail that isn't there based
on machine learning. Sometimes, it gets it wrong.

I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
the umbrella of photography. To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.
Others might disagree.

On 04/01/2024 12:32, Incubus wrote:
> I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
> the umbrella of photography. To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.
> Others might disagree.

Broadly, agreed.

What about automatic blurring of background in "Portrait" mode? Mind you,
that's removing (defocussing elements), not adding them!

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On 2024-01-04, David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 12:32, Incubus wrote:
>> I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
>> the umbrella of photography. To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.
>> Others might disagree.
>
> Broadly, agreed.
>
> What about automatic blurring of background in "Portrait" mode? Mind you,
> that's removing (defocussing elements), not adding them!

It's digital manipulation and arguably AI-controlled.

On 2024-01-04 07:42, David Taylor wrote:
> On 04/01/2024 12:32, Incubus wrote:
>> I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
>> the umbrella of photography.  To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.
>> Others might disagree.
>
> Broadly, agreed.
>
> What about automatic blurring of background in "Portrait" mode?  Mind
> you, that's removing (defocussing elements), not adding them!

Can be done in the darkroom with masking techniques, so arguably in the
realm of still "creative". And: can be done w/o AI.

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On Thursday 4 January 2024 at 12:32:40 UTC, Incubus wrote:
> On 2024-01-03, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 05:57:20 UTC, Rich wrote:
> >> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-ai-tools-making-images-look-better-20230823/
> >
> > I thought this had already been done and called upscaling on TV to display SD or HD TVs
> > and maybe SD-HD on unltra HD TVs.
> This is different from simple upscaling, which has a number of
> algorithms. There are more advanced algorithms in use by Radeon and
> NVidia, e.g., FSR 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 for getting higher framerates out of
> games.

But that is not increasing detail, more likely to decrease it.

> AI tools like Topaz are inserting detail that isn't there based
> on machine learning. Sometimes, it gets it wrong.

So not real detail then, no extar or real detail used.

>
> I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
> the umbrella of photography. To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.

But the pictures might look better, and that seems to be the aim.

> Others might disagree.

On Friday 5 January 2024 at 13:06:26 UTC, Rich wrote:
> On Thursday 4 January 2024 at 07:32:40 UTC-5, Incubus wrote:
> > On 2024-01-03, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday 31 December 2023 at 05:57:20 UTC, Rich wrote:
> > >> https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-ai-tools-making-images-look-better-20230823/
> > >
> > > I thought this had already been done and called upscaling on TV to display SD or HD TVs
> > > and maybe SD-HD on unltra HD TVs.
> > This is different from simple upscaling, which has a number of
> > algorithms. There are more advanced algorithms in use by Radeon and
> > NVidia, e.g., FSR 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 for getting higher framerates out of
> > games. AI tools like Topaz are inserting detail that isn't there based
> > on machine learning. Sometimes, it gets it wrong.
> >
> > I don't consider photos that have been manipulated by AI to come under
> > the umbrella of photography. To me, it's AI-enhanced digital art.
> > Others might disagree.
> It'll truly be put to the test when people attempt to us it on tourist trap travel photos where the try to get rid of people in scenes.

I could do that with students in my lab as they always make the lab look untidy. It's so much better without students in it :-D