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Sinuses offer new way of studying the evolution of ancient humans
James Ashworth
https://phys.org/news/2022-10-sinuses-evolution-ancient-humans.html

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google "paranasal sinus verhaegen"

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Subject: Re: long nose = large sinus: elephant>tapir>swine, semi-aquatic fresh-water
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> Sinuses offer new way of studying the evolution of ancient humans
> James Ashworth
> https://phys.org/news/2022-10-sinuses-evolution-ancient-humans.html
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> google "paranasal sinus verhaegen"

In mammals, there's a very strong correlation between PNS size & nose length:
both traits lengthen the nostril->lung distance.
Elephants, swine, tapirs & neandertals are terrestrial: not aquatic (any more),
but live in (esp. fresh-)watery milieus or have to cross rivers sometimes.

PNS (& nose?) size Hn>Hs>He.
This suggest He still dived frequently, but Hn much less:
Hn very large PNSs (anterior skull) but pachy-osteo-sclerotic occiput (posterior skull) suggest frequent back-floating (for opening shellfish cf. sea-otter?).
Hn ear exostoses & POS show they still spent a lot of time (seasonally??) diving.

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Subject: Re: long nose = large sinus: elephant>tapir>swine, semi-aquatic fresh-water
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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 20:56 UTC

> > Sinuses offer new way of studying the evolution of ancient humans
> > James Ashworth
> > https://phys.org/news/2022-10-sinuses-evolution-ancient-humans.html
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> > google "paranasal sinus verhaegen"

> In mammals, there's a very strong correlation between PNS size & nose length: both traits lengthen the nostril->lung distance.
> Elephants, swine, tapirs & neandertals Hn are terrestrial: not aquatic (any more), but live in (esp. fresh-)watery milieus, or have to cross rivers sometimes.
> PNS (& nose?) size Hn>Hs>He.
> This suggest He still dived frequently, but Hn much less:
> Hn very large PNSs (anterior skull) but pachy-osteo-sclerotic occiput (posterior skull) suggest frequent back-floating (for opening shellfish cf. sea-otter?).
> Hn ear exostoses & POS show they still spent a lot of time (seasonally??) diving.

There's 0 doubt Hn often dived for aquatic food: they had ear exostoses (cold water irrigation), POS (slow+shallow diving), huge brains (DHA) etc.
Their large noses & extensive PNSs suggests freshwater & spending a lot (most?) of time outside the water.
I still don't know: did they follow the salmon seasonally?

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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Sat, 29 Oct 2022 15:01 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:56:06 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Sinuses offer new way of studying the evolution of ancient humans
> > > James Ashworth
> > > https://phys.org/news/2022-10-sinuses-evolution-ancient-humans.html
> ____
> > > google "paranasal sinus verhaegen"
>
> > In mammals, there's a very strong correlation between PNS size & nose length: both traits lengthen the nostril->lung distance.
> > Elephants, swine, tapirs & neandertals Hn are terrestrial: not aquatic (any more), but live in (esp. fresh-)watery milieus, or have to cross rivers sometimes.
> > PNS (& nose?) size Hn>Hs>He.
> > This suggest He still dived frequently, but Hn much less:
> > Hn very large PNSs (anterior skull) but pachy-osteo-sclerotic occiput (posterior skull) suggest frequent back-floating (for opening shellfish cf. sea-otter?).
> > Hn ear exostoses & POS show they still spent a lot of time (seasonally??) diving.
> There's 0 doubt Hn often dived for aquatic food: they had ear exostoses (cold water irrigation), POS (slow+shallow diving), huge brains (DHA) etc.
> Their large noses & extensive PNSs suggests freshwater & spending a lot (most?) of time outside the water.
> I still don't know: did they follow the salmon seasonally?
Still chasing those long-nosed saiga...

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