Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
Gulag ~ cell?
Mongolu @Mbuti: dome hut
gulu @ Chn: dome, circle
Gaol / jail (goal)
goati @ Fin: hut, cote (Kudah = god)
Iglu @Innuit: dome hut

On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> Gulag ~ cell?

Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.

Both words are abbreviations:
stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudovȳkh) lagereĭ
"Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".

> Mongolu @Mbuti: dome hut
> gulu @ Chn: dome, circle
> Gaol / jail (goal)
> goati @ Fin: hut, cote (Kudah = god)
> Iglu @Innuit: dome hut
>

Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
scribeva:

>On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
>> Gulag ~ cell?
>
>Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
>borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
>
>Both words are abbreviations:
>stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
>gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
> "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".

Yes. Confirmed by:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology

Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 8:24:40 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> Gulag ~ cell?
> Mongolu @Mbuti: dome hut
> gulu @ Chn: dome, circle
> Gaol / jail (goal)
> goati @ Fin: hut, cote (kota) (Kudah = god)
> Iglu @Innuit: dome hut

Thanks to Ross and Ruud for informative responses.

For the moment, I will pretend that I don't know (I suspected but didn't want to verify until my thoughts coalesced).
Cont'd:

Kota @ Mly: fort; khotan, hostel, protected dwelling(s)
Keluarga @ Mly: Family (occupy cell/shelter)
Keluar @Mly: exit (shelter/cell)

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> scribeva:
> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> >> Gulag ~ cell?
> >
> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
> >
> >Both words are abbreviations:
> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
> Yes. Confirmed by:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
>
> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?
>
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses. If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.
The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.

Sat, 17 Sep 2022 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
>> scribeva:
>> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
>> >> Gulag ~ cell?
>> >
>> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
>> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
>> >
>> >Both words are abbreviations:
>> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
>> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
>> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
>> Yes. Confirmed by:
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
>>
>> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?

>Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses.

GULAG is an acronym. The meaning is well known. Nothing to do with
guessing or hypotheses.

>If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.

More often, superficial patterns DO NOT betray relatedness, especially
not in the languages aren't closely related.

>The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> >> scribeva:
> >> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> >> >> Gulag ~ cell?
> >> >
> >> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
> >> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
> >> >
> >> >Both words are abbreviations:
> >> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
> >> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
> >> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
> >> Yes. Confirmed by:
> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
> >>
> >> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?
> >Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses.
> GULAG is an acronym.

"Both words are abbreviations" - Ross
Neither is an acronym. - DD

The meaning is well known. Nothing to do with
> guessing or hypotheses.

Is English 'lock' related to German '-lag'? Is English 'lager' related to German 'lager'? I don't know.

> >If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.
> More often, superficial patterns DO NOT betray relatedness, especially
> not in the languages aren't closely related.

That is not a fact, it is an opinion, which I do not share, depending on how one defines 'superficial'. Gulag & stalag are partial cognate neologisms.

> >The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Xyuam Stamm @ Grm: stem, tree trunk, root tribe, lineage, family, house
Xyuam(bu)at Heimat home (lie/lay/land)
Xyuam. Home.
Xyuam(b)ua(t)lay. Fam.ily
Xyuam(bu)atlachyah Stam(mat?)lager ~ camp baselayer?
(Xyuambu)atlachyah ~> al qaida(?) ~ The base (camp)

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 8:45:48 PM UTC-4, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > Sat, 17 Sep 2022 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> > <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> > >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > >> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> > >> scribeva:
> > >> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> > >> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> > >> >> Gulag ~ cell?
> > >> >
> > >> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
> > >> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
> > >> >
> > >> >Both words are abbreviations:
> > >> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
> > >> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
> > >> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
> > >> Yes. Confirmed by:
> > >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
> > >>
> > >> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?
> > >Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses.
> > GULAG is an acronym.
> "Both words are abbreviations" - Ross
> Neither is an acronym. - DD
> The meaning is well known. Nothing to do with
> > guessing or hypotheses.
> Is English 'lock' related to German '-lag'? Is English 'lager' related to German 'lager'? I don't know.
> > >If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.
> > More often, superficial patterns DO NOT betray relatedness, especially
> > not in the languages aren't closely related.
> That is not a fact, it is an opinion, which I do not share, depending on how one defines 'superficial'. Gulag & stalag are partial cognate neologisms.
> > >The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.
> > --
> > Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
> Xyuam Stamm @ Grm: stem, tree trunk, root tribe, lineage, family, house
> Xyuam(bu)at Heimat home (lie/lay/land)
> Xyuam. Home.
> Xyuam(b)ua(t)lay. Fam.ily
> Xyuam(bu)atlachyah Stam(mat?)lager ~ camp baselayer?
> (Xyuambu)atlachyah ~> al qaida(?) ~ The base (camp)

By the by, stamm lineage/family/house nicely corresponds to Basque etxe lineage/family/house and to English establishment if one adds the optional initial ain '. Stamp and Turkic 'tamaga' may relate as the sedentary marking imprint of a dome dwelling, and estomago/stomach as the profile of the dome itself. This is not folk etymology, nor is it rocket science. It is Paleo-etymology, investigation of the human language. Pitch (a tent) from (xyuam)buat ~ camp.out/com.bound/pound/peg...

Sat, 17 Sep 2022 17:45:46 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
<daud.deden@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
>> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
>> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> >> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
>> >> scribeva:
>> >> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
>> >> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
>> >> >> Gulag ~ cell?
>> >> >
>> >> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
>> >> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
>> >> >
>> >> >Both words are abbreviations:
>> >> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
>> >> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
>> >> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
>> >> Yes. Confirmed by:
>> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
>> >>
>> >> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?
>> >Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses.
>> GULAG is an acronym.
>
>"Both words are abbreviations" - Ross
>Neither is an acronym. - DD
>
>The meaning is well known. Nothing to do with
>> guessing or hypotheses.
>
>Is English 'lock' related to German '-lag'? Is English 'lager' related to German 'lager'? I don't know.

Neither do I, off the top of my head, but if I want to know, I consult
Wiktionary, and online Collins and Merriam-Webster for English (and
maybe my own old paper Concise Oxford), and online Duden and DWDS
(Digitales Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache) for German.

After that, I know.

By the way, I don't think there is a -lag in German. The -lag in Gulag
comes from the Russian loanword lager, which is from German Lager.

See:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8C#Russian

>> >If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.
>> More often, superficial patterns DO NOT betray relatedness, especially
>> not in the languages aren't closely related.
>
>That is not a fact, it is an opinion, which I do not share, depending on how one defines 'superficial'. Gulag & stalag are partial cognate neologisms.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stalag

>> >The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.

>Xyuam Stamm @ Grm: stem, tree trunk, root tribe, lineage, family, house

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Stamm#Etymology

>Xyuam(bu)at Heimat home (lie/lay/land)
>Xyuam. Home.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Heim#Etymology_2
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/haimaz

Stamm and Heim are in no way related.

>Xyuam(b)ua(t)lay. Fam.ily
>Xyuam(bu)atlachyah Stam(mat?)lager ~ camp baselayer?
>(Xyuambu)atlachyah ~> al qaida(?) ~ The base (camp)

Utter nonsense, based on nothing, and you know it.

A phantasy world, science fiction. No relation with real science.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 12:11:03 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 17:45:46 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
>
> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT): Daud Deden
> >> <daud....@gmail.com> scribeva:
> >> >On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 3:52:26 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> >> Sat, 17 Sep 2022 19:42:28 +1200: Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz>
> >> >> scribeva:
> >> >> >On 17/09/2022 12:24 p.m., Daud Deden wrote:
> >> >> >> Gulag @ Rus cognate with stalag @ Grm?
> >> >> >> Gulag ~ cell?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nope. The resemblance is due to German Lager 'camp', which has been
> >> >> >borrowed into Russian. Very likely from the IE *legh 'lie' root.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Both words are abbreviations:
> >> >> >stalag < Stammlager "Main Camp"
> >> >> >gulag < Glavnoe upravlenie (ispravitel'no-trudov?kh) lagere?
> >> >> > "Chief Administration for (Corrective-Labour) Camps".
> >> >> Yes. Confirmed by:
> >> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
> >> >>
> >> >> Why guess if you can look it up, Daud?
> >> >Why guess? All hypotheses are guesses.
> >> GULAG is an acronym.
> >
> >"Both words are abbreviations" - Ross
> >Neither is an acronym. - DD
> >
> >The meaning is well known. Nothing to do with
> >> guessing or hypotheses.
> >
> >Is English 'lock' related to German '-lag'?

Probably, lagerbier is kept in cold storage (locked away).

Is English 'lager' related to German 'lager'? I don't know.

Yes, see above.

> Neither do I, off the top of my head, but if I want to know, I consult
> Wiktionary, and online Collins and Merriam-Webster for English (and
> maybe my own old paper Concise Oxford), and online Duden and DWDS
> (Digitales Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache) for German.
>
> After that, I know.
>
> By the way, I don't think there is a -lag in German. The -lag in Gulag
> comes from the Russian loanword lager, which is from German Lager.
>
> See:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gulag#Etymology
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8C#Russian
> >> >If I "scent" (detect) a potential pattern, there is often a reason.
> >> More often, superficial patterns DO NOT betray relatedness, especially
> >> not in the languages aren't closely related.
> >
> >That is not a fact, it is an opinion, which I do not share, depending on how one defines 'superficial'. Gulag & stalag are partial cognate neologisms.
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stalag
> >> >The oldest words in the human language relate to the home. The concept of prison is not archaic, but modern. I thought gulag and stalag might refer to a secured hut, seGURidad CASa.
> >Xyuam Stamm @ Grm: stem, tree trunk, root tribe, lineage, family, house
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Stamm#Etymology
> >Xyuam(bu)at Heimat home (lie/lay/land)
> >Xyuam. Home.
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Heim#Etymology_2
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/haimaz
>
> Stamm and Heim are in no way related.

Huam @ Bavarian Cimbrian = heim, home <= xyuam. Perfectly predicted!

Ruud, does your home stand or walk? In Malay, a building stands, an old home stands on stilts (stelzen), like the old homes in Swiss lakes.

.... from Proto-Germanic *stamnaz ?? Hmm...

> >Xyuam(b)ua(t)lay. Fam.ily
> >Xyuam(bu)atlachyah Stam(mat?)lager ~ camp baselayer?
> >(Xyuambu)atlachyah ~> al qaida(?) ~ The base (camp)
> Utter nonsense, based on nothing, and you know it.

No, I do know you though. ;~}

> A phantasy world, science fiction. No relation with real science.
> --
> Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

You sound more like a science fiction afficianado & music critique than a scientist.