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by: Chris - Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:26 UTC

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by: paul - Tue, 27 Apr 2021 18:00 UTC

Chris wrote on 27.04.2021 13:26

>> Then how is it logical that destroying the Bill of Rights helps them?
>
> False premise.

The Democrats position is that Destroying the Bill of Rights (ie deleting
the 2nd of 10 fundamental rights) is going to drop that 40,000 by what?

How much?

The number of murders will not change one bit as people can murder other
people so many ways that don't need guns that anyone who claims otherwise is
not dealing in logic.

Likewise the number of suicides will not change one bit as people can kill
themselves so many ways that don't need guns that anyone who claims
otherwise is not dealing in logic.

The only number that *CAN* change is the number of accidental gun deaths.

But we didn't destroy the Bill of Rights to enact lawnmower safety laws.
Why should we destroy the Bill of Rights just to enact gun safety laws?

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by: Alan Baker - Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:46 UTC

On 2021-04-27 11:00 a.m., paul wrote:
> Chris wrote on 27.04.2021 13:26
>
>>> Then how is it logical that destroying the Bill of Rights helps them?
>>
>> False premise.
>
> The Democrats position is that Destroying the Bill of Rights (ie deleting
> the 2nd of 10 fundamental rights) is going to drop that 40,000 by what?

Since that is not the "Democrats' position" (note the correct use of the
possessive apostrophe, BTW) to begin with, you proceed from a false premise.

>
> How much?
>
> The number of murders will not change one bit as people can murder other
> people so many ways that don't need guns that anyone who claims otherwise is
> not dealing in logic.

One only needs empiricism to see that you are wrong.

>
> Likewise the number of suicides will not change one bit as people can kill
> themselves so many ways that don't need guns that anyone who claims
> otherwise is not dealing in logic.
>

Ditto.

> The only number that *CAN* change is the number of accidental gun deaths.
>

Wrong.

> But we didn't destroy the Bill of Rights to enact lawnmower safety laws.
> Why should we destroy the Bill of Rights just to enact gun safety laws?

False premise, the second:

That to amend a thing is to destroy that thing.

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by: Rod Speed - Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:14 UTC

paul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

> The Democrats position is that Destroying the Bill of Rights
> (ie deleting the 2nd of 10 fundamental rights)

Mindless lie. Removing one amendment doesn't destroy the bill of rights,
arlen.

> is going to drop that 40,000 by what?

> How much?

> The number of murders will not change one bit

More mindless bullshit given that it's a lot easier to murder
someone with a gun than it is to do it any other way.

> as people can murder other people so many ways that don't need
> guns that anyone who claims otherwise is not dealing in logic.

You wouldn't know what logic was if it bit you on your lard arse, arlen.

> Likewise the number of suicides will not change one bit as
> people can kill themselves so many ways that don't need
> guns that anyone who claims otherwise is not dealing in logic.

> The only number that *CAN* change is
> the number of accidental gun deaths.

More mindless bullshit.

> But we didn't destroy the Bill of Rights

No bill of rights is being destroyed, arlen.

> to enact lawnmower safety laws. Why should we destroy
> the Bill of Rights just to enact gun safety laws?

Because it may well dramatically reduce the number of mass
killing events like Hoddle St, Port Arthur, Sandy Hook etc.

Subject	Author
Re: San Bernardino iPhone Condor Legal Precendent Fed access	Chris
Re: San Bernardino iPhone Condor Legal Precendent Fed access to all phones	paul
Re: San Bernardino iPhone Condor Legal Precendent Fed access to all	Alan Baker
Re: San Bernardino iPhone Condor Legal Precendent Fed access to all phones	Rod Speed