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* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxDarwin Peláez Etxeberria
`* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxThomas Heger
 +* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxGuadalupe Romà Zapatero
 |`* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxThomas Heger
 | +* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxLauren Yambaev, Medical Laboratory Scientist
 | |`- Re: Ehrenfest paradoxPhysfitfreak
 | `* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxPhysfitfreak
 |  `- Re: Ehrenfest paradoxThomas Heger
 `* Re: Ehrenfest paradoxPhysfitfreak
  `- Re: Ehrenfest paradoxThomas Heger

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 by: Darwin Peláez Etxeb - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 12:46 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>>> And you must not confuse one with the other.
>>> ...
>> But you can simplify things so the physics problem can be solved by
>> mathematics.
>
> Sure: physics uses models instead of the real world and is by such means
> able to predict certain things.
>
> But still these models are no real things, but human artifacts.
>
> They enable predictions, but are not eatable - for instance.

this gearmon imbecile doesn't know what a mode is. Which world is your
world which is real, not a model. The one you see? You fucking imbecile.
Is your fucking brain not a model?? lol

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 06:41 UTC

Am 25.01.2024 um 13:46 schrieb Darwin Peláez Etxeberria:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>>> And you must not confuse one with the other.
>>>> ...
>>> But you can simplify things so the physics problem can be solved by
>>> mathematics.
>>
>> Sure: physics uses models instead of the real world and is by such means
>> able to predict certain things.
>>
>> But still these models are no real things, but human artifacts.
>>
>> They enable predictions, but are not eatable - for instance.
>
> this gearmon imbecile doesn't know what a mode is. Which world is your
> world which is real, not a model. The one you see? You fucking imbecile.
> Is your fucking brain not a model?? lol
>

I know what you're trying to say (even if your keyboard is apparently
damaged - possibly your head, too).

Sure: what we see is actually an internal image, which our brain
generates from the visual impressions of our eyes.

Therefore, the 'real deal' is outside of our head and can only be
partially approximated by our brain.

But we can safely assume, that some sort of reality exists outside of
our brain.

TH

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 by: Guadalupe Romà Zapa - Sat, 27 Jan 2024 12:31 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> this gearmon imbecile doesn't know what a mode is. Which world is your
>> world which is real, not a model. The one you see? You fucking
>> imbecile.
>> Is your fucking brain not a model?? lol
>>
>>
> I know what you're trying to say (even if your keyboard is apparently
> damaged - possibly your head, too).
> Sure: what we see is actually an internal image, which our brain
> generates from the visual impressions of our eyes.
> Therefore, the 'real deal' is outside of our head and can only be
> partially approximated by our brain.

outside where, detected by what, which is not a model, fucking stoopid.
Your country gearmony is a shithole. Driven by 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗲𝘀. 100% liars
and incompetents. What we call in Physics, 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗼𝗽𝗶𝗱.

> But we can safely assume, that some sort of reality exists outside of
> our brain.

physics is not about assumptions, idiot. Observations and theories based,
and 𝗻𝗼𝘁_𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱, by observations.

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 by: Thomas Heger - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 07:10 UTC

Am 27.01.2024 um 13:31 schrieb Guadalupe Romà Zapatero:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>> this gearmon imbecile doesn't know what a mode is. Which world is your
>>> world which is real, not a model. The one you see? You fucking
>>> imbecile.
>>> Is your fucking brain not a model?? lol
>>>
>>>
>> I know what you're trying to say (even if your keyboard is apparently
>> damaged - possibly your head, too).
>> Sure: what we see is actually an internal image, which our brain
>> generates from the visual impressions of our eyes.
>> Therefore, the 'real deal' is outside of our head and can only be
>> partially approximated by our brain.
>
> outside where, detected by what, which is not a model, fucking stoopid.

Lets call the brain 'interpreter' or 'model builder', which is building
models about something outside, which the brain tries to interpret.

This works only partially, hence our brain does not really observe the
real world, but some kind of internal representation of the real wolrd.

But to do so, some sort of real world outside the brain should exist in
the first place.
> Your country gearmony is a shithole. Driven by 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗲𝘀. 100% liars
>
Well, your statement is rather rude, but certainly worth to think about.

TH

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From: yub...@yea.ru (Lauren Yambaev, Medical Laboratory Scientist)
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Subject: Re: Ehrenfest paradox
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 by: Lauren Yambaev, Medi - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:57 UTC

Thomas Heger wrote:

>> outside where, detected by what, which is not a model, fucking stoopid.
>
> Lets call the brain 'interpreter' or 'model builder', which is building
> models about something outside, which the brain tries to interpret.

you may call it what you want, it would not change anything. Here we go,
with some true science, events and observation.

https://th%65%70eople%73%76oice.tv/

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An mega-solar storm is due to strike Earth in the near future and has the
potential to wipe out over 90% of the human race, according to reports.
Actor Dennis Quaid recently sat down with Tucker […]

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The World Economic Forum has ordered government’s in Europe to completely
ban all Russians from purchasing or owning properties outside of Russia.
The WEF-controlled nation of Finland has become the first EU nation to
implement […]

𝗦𝗼𝗿𝗼𝘀_𝗖𝗮𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁_𝗢𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗣𝗹𝗼𝘁_𝗧𝗼_𝗞𝗶𝗹𝗹_𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽’𝘀_𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀_𝗼𝗳_𝗕𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗣𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻t
Billionaire globalist George Soros and Hillary Clinton have joined forces
to kill Donald Trump’s chances of becoming President in 2024, an
independent investigation has discovered. Research conducted by Northeast
Florida-based conservative grassroots activist Jessico Bowman […]

𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗲𝗿_𝗨𝗞_𝗣𝗠_𝘄𝗮𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗿_𝗕𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀_𝗝𝗼𝗵𝗻𝘀𝗼𝗻_𝗖𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗺𝘀_𝗛𝗲_𝗪𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱_𝗦𝗶𝗴𝗻_𝗨𝗽_𝗧𝗼_‘𝗙𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁_𝗙𝗼𝗿_𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗴_&_𝗖𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆’
Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has issued a call to arms declaring he
“would jolly well” join the British Army if Britain went to war with
Russia. Bojo was backing calls from the military top […]

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Australia has to seriously consider reintroducing conscription to increase
its troop numbers in the face of a looming “all-out war” with Russia,
according to defence analyst Dr Alexey Muraviev. His comments comes days
after similar […]

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Vaccination rates in the US are close to a “tipping point” according to
the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) which warns there soon will not be
enough vaccinated people to “protect” the unvaccinated. According to […]

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 by: Physfitfreak - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:17 UTC

On 1/27/2024 12:41 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> But we can safely assume, that some sort of reality exists outside of
> our brain.

We can _only_ assume that.

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On 1/28/2024 1:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> But to do so, some sort of real world outside the brain should exist in
> the first place.

That's an assumption based on previous assumptions. Nothing more.

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 by: Physfitfreak - Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:25 UTC

On 1/28/2024 7:57 AM, Lauren Yambaev, Medical Laboratory Scientist wrote:
> Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has issued a call to arms declaring he
> “would jolly well” join the British Army if Britain went to war with
> Russia.

I sincerely hope that the above happens. Time for Britain to get some
serious heat. It's been due for a long, long time.

The suckers were saved by Stalin the other time. No more of that crap
this time around. So go for it, you Bozos, go for it. Be what you are
and will be.

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 29 Jan 2024 07:14 UTC

Am 29.01.2024 um 00:20 schrieb Physfitfreak:
> On 1/28/2024 1:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> But to do so, some sort of real world outside the brain should exist
>> in the first place.
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> That's an assumption based on previous assumptions. Nothing more.

Science is based on assumptions, which are based on assumptions. Nothing
more.

TH

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 by: Thomas Heger - Mon, 29 Jan 2024 07:16 UTC

Am 29.01.2024 um 00:17 schrieb Physfitfreak:
> On 1/27/2024 12:41 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> But we can safely assume, that some sort of reality exists outside of
>> our brain.
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> We can _only_ assume that.

No, because we can actually assume something else (e.g. "we are a dream
of a butterfly").

TH

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