On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 6:42:56 AM UTC-4, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > About Noam Chomsky
> >
> > Considered the founder of modern linguistics, Noam Chomsky is one of
> > the most cited scholars in modern history. Among his groundbreaking
> > books are “Syntactic Structures”, “Language and Mind,” “Aspects of the
> > Theory of Syntax,” and “The Minimalist Program,” each of which has
> > made distinct contributions to the development of the field. He has
> > received numerous awards, including the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences,
> > the Helmholtz Medal and the Ben Franklin Medal in Computer and
> > Cognitive Science.
> >
> > Chomsky introduced the Chomsky hierarchy, generative grammar and the
> > concept of a universal grammar, which underlies all human speech and
> > is based in the innate structure of the mind/brain. Chomsky has not
> > only transformed the field of linguistics, his work has influenced
> > fields such as cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, computer
> > science, mathematics, childhood education, and anthropology.
> >
> > Chomsky is also one of the most influential public intellectuals in
> > the world. He has written more than 100 books, his most recent being
> > “Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of
> > Wealth & Power.”
> >
> > Chomsky joined the UA in fall 2017, coming from the Massachusetts
> > Institute of Technology, where he worked since 1955 and was Institute
> > Professor, later Institute Professor emeritus.
> > Research Interests
> >
> > Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
> > Selected Publications
> >
> > List of Articles (PDF)
> > List of Books (PDF)
> >
> > Source:
> > https://linguistics.arizona.edu/user/noam-chomsky
> >
>
> Thanks for this update. I knew he was some years post-retirement at MIT,
> but didn't know about Arizona.
>
> From Wiki:
> -------------
> Chomsky retired from MIT in 2002, but continued to conduct research and
> seminars on campus as an emeritus.
> ...
> In 2017, Chomsky taught a short-term politics course at the University
> of Arizona in Tucson and was later hired as a part-time professor in the
> linguistics department there, with his duties including teaching and
> public seminars. His salary is covered by philanthropic donations.
> -------------
>
> Was this what you wanted to discuss?

His last few pamphlets (most with co-authors) have been more and
more incoherent. (He was never a good writer.) One wonders what
those classes and seminars might be like at age 93 1/2.

Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > About Noam Chomsky
> >
> > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.

Noam Chomsky is one of
> > the most cited scholars in modern history. Among his groundbreaking
> > books are “Syntactic Structures”, “Language and Mind,” “Aspects of the
> > Theory of Syntax,” and “The Minimalist Program,” each of which has
> > made distinct contributions to the development of the field. He has
> > received numerous awards, including the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences,
> > the Helmholtz Medal and the Ben Franklin Medal in Computer and
> > Cognitive Science.
> >
> > Chomsky introduced the Chomsky hierarchy, generative grammar and the
> > concept of a universal grammar, which underlies all human speech and
> > is based in the innate structure of the mind/brain. Chomsky has not
> > only transformed the field of linguistics, his work has influenced
> > fields such as cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, computer
> > science, mathematics, childhood education, and anthropology.
> >
> > Chomsky is also one of the most influential public intellectuals in
> > the world. He has written more than 100 books, his most recent being
> > “Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of
> > Wealth & Power.”
> >
> > Chomsky joined the UA in fall 2017, coming from the Massachusetts
> > Institute of Technology, where he worked since 1955 and was Institute
> > Professor, later Institute Professor emeritus.
> > Research Interests
> >
> > Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
> > Selected Publications
> >
> > List of Articles (PDF)
> > List of Books (PDF)
> >
> > Source:
> > https://linguistics.arizona.edu/user/noam-chomsky
> >
>
> Thanks for this update. I knew he was some years post-retirement at MIT,
> but didn't know about Arizona.
>
> From Wiki:
> -------------
> Chomsky retired from MIT in 2002, but continued to conduct research and
> seminars on campus as an emeritus.
> ...
> In 2017, Chomsky taught a short-term politics course at the University
> of Arizona in Tucson and was later hired as a part-time professor in the
> linguistics department there, with his duties including teaching and
> public seminars. His salary is covered by philanthropic donations.
> -------------
>
> Was this what you wanted to discuss?

On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > About Noam Chomsky
> > >
> > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,

> Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.

That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.

Chomsky made lots of mistakes. He has (had?) some skill at spotting
problems but a very heavy hand at suggesting solutions. And, as I see
it, almost no tolerance for ideas contrary to his own.

Perhaps we linguists would have wasted these last sixty years anyway.

Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > >
> > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
>
> > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
>
No , it's not harsh.
Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.

On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > >
> > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> >
> > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
>
> No , it's not harsh.
> Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.

He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
as an Independent Scholar.

Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> > >
> > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
> >
> > No , it's not harsh.
> > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.
> He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
> as an Independent Scholar.
I was speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in particular.

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> > > >
> > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
> > >
> > > No , it's not harsh.
> > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.
> > He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
> > as an Independent Scholar.
>
> I was speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in particular.

And I was pointing out that he is _not in any department at all_,
and therefore not an example of your claim.

Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,
because many universities do not have linguistics departments.
You will also find them in language departments and in area
studies departments.

Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic institutions has
nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.

Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> > > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> > > > >
> > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made..
> > > >
> > > > No , it's not harsh.
> > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.
> > > He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
> > > as an Independent Scholar.
> >
> > I was speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in particular.
> And I was pointing out that he is _not in any department at all_,
> and therefore not an example of your claim.
>
> Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,
> because many universities do not have linguistics departments.
> You will also find them in language departments and in area
> studies departments.

>
> Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic institutions has
> nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench
Just try to learn something...

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 6:14:25 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug..co.nz a écrit :
> > > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:

> > > > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > > > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> > > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > > > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
> > > > > No , it's not harsh.
> > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > > Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.
> > > > He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
> > > > as an Independent Scholar.
> > > I was speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in particular.
> > And I was pointing out that he is _not in any department at all_,
> > and therefore not an example of your claim.
> > Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,
> > because many universities do not have linguistics departments.
> > You will also find them in language departments and in area
> > studies departments.
> > Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic institutions has
> > nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench
> Just try to learn something...

Where do you think I got the information that he has no academic
position, moron?

Le dimanche 24 juillet 2022 à 14:50:13 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 6:14:25 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :
> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
> > > > > > > > Le samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky
> > > > > > > > > > Considered the founder of modern linguistics,
> > > > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > > > > That's too harsh. We must make allowances for mistakes to be made.
> > > > > > No , it's not harsh.
> > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.
> > > > > > Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an anthrologist.
> > > > > He's English, not American, and based in Cambridge, apparently
> > > > > as an Independent Scholar.
> > > > I was speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in particular.
> > > And I was pointing out that he is _not in any department at all_,
> > > and therefore not an example of your claim.
> > > Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,
> > > because many universities do not have linguistics departments.
> > > You will also find them in language departments and in area
> > > studies departments.
> > > Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic institutions has
> > > nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench
> > Just try to learn something...
> Where do you think I got the information that he has no academic
> position, moron?
Again, what's your pb? senile jerk?
I'm amazed.

On 2022-07-24 17:32:29 +0000, Arnaud Fournet said:

> Le dimanche 24 juillet 2022 à 14:50:13 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 6:14:25 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> >
>> Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit
>> :> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet
>> wrote:> > > > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T.
>> Daniels a écrit :> > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM
>> UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à
>> 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17,
>> 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > > > Le
>> samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit
>> :> > > > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:>> > > >
>> > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky> > > > > > > > > > Considered the
>> founder of modern linguistics,> > > > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a
>> linguist at any time.> > > > > > > That's too harsh. We must make
>> allowances for mistakes to be made.> > > > > > No , it's not harsh.> >
>> > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.> > > > > >
>> Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in
>> English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of
>> Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration
>> of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an
>> anthrologist.> > > > > He's English, not American, and based in
>> Cambridge, apparently> > > > > as an Independent Scholar.> > > > I was
>> speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in
>> particular.> > > And I was pointing out that he is _not in any
>> department at all_,> > > and therefore not an example of your claim.> >
>> > Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,> > >
>> because many universities do not have linguistics departments.> > > You
>> will also find them in language departments and in area> > > studies
>> departments.> > > Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic
>> institutions has> > > nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.> >>
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench> > Just try to learn
>> something...
>> Where do you think I got the information that he has no academic>
>> position, moron?
> Again, what's your pb? senile jerk?
> I'm amazed.

Roger Blench has published 12 articles in serious journals (including,
most recently Nature Communications) in the past ten years go. That
strikes me as a total indicating a reasonable degree of activity. What
does it matter if he has an academic post or not?

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 3:50:14 PM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-07-24 17:32:29 +0000, Arnaud Fournet said:
>
> > Le dimanche 24 juillet 2022 à 14:50:13 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> >> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 6:14:25 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> >
> >> Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit
> >> :> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet
> >> wrote:> > > > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T.
> >> Daniels a écrit :> > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM
> >> UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à
> >> 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17,
> >> 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > > > Le
> >> samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit
> >> :> > > > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:>> > > >
> >> > > > > > > About Noam Chomsky> > > > > > > > > > Considered the
> >> founder of modern linguistics,> > > > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a
> >> linguist at any time.> > > > > > > That's too harsh. We must make
> >> allowances for mistakes to be made.> > > > > > No , it's not harsh.> >
> >> > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.> > > > > >
> >> Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in
> >> English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of
> >> Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration
> >> of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an
> >> anthrologist.> > > > > He's English, not American, and based in
> >> Cambridge, apparently> > > > > as an Independent Scholar.> > > > I was
> >> speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in
> >> particular.> > > And I was pointing out that he is _not in any
> >> department at all_,> > > and therefore not an example of your claim.> >
> >> > Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,> > >
> >> because many universities do not have linguistics departments.> > > You
> >> will also find them in language departments and in area> > > studies
> >> departments.> > > Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic
> >> institutions has> > > nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.> >>
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench> > Just try to learn
> >> something...
> >> Where do you think I got the information that he has no academic>
> >> position, moron?
> > Again, what's your pb? senile jerk?
> > I'm amazed.
>
> Roger Blench has published 12 articles in serious journals (including,
> most recently Nature Communications) in the past ten years go. That

It's gotta be a lot more than that.

> strikes me as a total indicating a reasonable degree of activity. What
> does it matter if he has an academic post or not?

On 2022-07-24 19:50:11 +0000, Athel Cornish-Bowden said:

> On 2022-07-24 17:32:29 +0000, Arnaud Fournet said:
>
>> Le dimanche 24 juillet 2022 à 14:50:13 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>>> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 6:14:25 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> >
>>> Le samedi 23 juillet 2022 à 14:24:22 UTC+2, Peter T. Daniels a écrit
>>> :> > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:08:57 AM UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet
>>> wrote:> > > > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2022 à 14:40:28 UTC+2, Peter T.
>>> Daniels a écrit :> > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 1:58:32 AM
>>> UTC-4, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > Le mercredi 20 juillet 2022 à
>>> 00:14:56 UTC+2, DKleinecke a écrit :> > > > > > > On Sunday, July 17,
>>> 2022 at 3:48:43 AM UTC-7, Arnaud Fournet wrote:> > > > > > > > Le
>>> samedi 16 juillet 2022 à 12:42:56 UTC+2, benl...@ihug.co.nz a écrit
>>> :> > > > > > > > > On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> About Noam Chomsky> > > > > > > > > > Considered the
>>> founder of modern linguistics,> > > > > > > > Noam Chomsky never was a
>>> linguist at any time.> > > > > > > That's too harsh. We must make
>>> allowances for mistakes to be made.> > > > > > No , it's not harsh.> >
>>>>>>> Noam Chomsky never was a linguist at any time.> > > > > >
>>> Incidentally, I've the feeling that (genuine) linguists in
>>> English-speaking countries are to be found in Departments of
>>> Anthropology, not in Departments of Linguistics. A clear illustration
>>> of this is Roger Blench, who IMO is more a linguist than an
>>> anthrologist.> > > > > He's English, not American, and based in
>>> Cambridge, apparently> > > > > as an Independent Scholar.> > > > I was
>>> speaking of English-speaking countries in general, not of the USA in
>>> particular.> > > And I was pointing out that he is _not in any
>>> department at all_,> > > and therefore not an example of your claim.> >
>>>> Of course there are more linguists in anthropology departments,> > >
>>> because many universities do not have linguistics departments.> > > You
>>> will also find them in language departments and in area> > > studies
>>> departments.> > > Your unfamiliarity with the structure of academic
>>> institutions has> > > nothing to do with the nature of linguistics.> >>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Blench> > Just try to learn
>>> something...
>>> Where do you think I got the information that he has no academic>
>>> position, moron?
>> Again, what's your pb? senile jerk?
>> I'm amazed.
>
> Roger Blench has published 12 articles in serious journals (including,
> most recently Nature Communications) in the past ten years go

or so

> . That strikes me as a total indicating a reasonable degree of
> activity. What does it matter if he has an academic post or not?

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

About Noam Chomsky

Considered the founder of modern linguistics, Noam Chomsky is one of
the most cited scholars in modern history. Among his groundbreaking
books are “Syntactic Structures”, “Language and Mind,” “Aspects of the
Theory of Syntax,” and “The Minimalist Program,” each of which has
made distinct contributions to the development of the field. He has
received numerous awards, including the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences,
the Helmholtz Medal and the Ben Franklin Medal in Computer and
Cognitive Science.

Chomsky introduced the Chomsky hierarchy, generative grammar and the
concept of a universal grammar, which underlies all human speech and
is based in the innate structure of the mind/brain. Chomsky has not
only transformed the field of linguistics, his work has influenced
fields such as cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, computer
science, mathematics, childhood education, and anthropology.

Chomsky is also one of the most influential public intellectuals in
the world. He has written more than 100 books, his most recent being
“Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of
Wealth & Power.”

Chomsky joined the UA in fall 2017, coming from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, where he worked since 1955 and was Institute
Professor, later Institute Professor emeritus.
Research Interests

Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
Selected Publications

List of Articles (PDF)
List of Books (PDF)

Source:
https://linguistics.arizona.edu/user/noam-chomsky

On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
> About Noam Chomsky
>
> Considered the founder of modern linguistics, Noam Chomsky is one of
> the most cited scholars in modern history. Among his groundbreaking
> books are “Syntactic Structures”, “Language and Mind,” “Aspects of the
> Theory of Syntax,” and “The Minimalist Program,” each of which has
> made distinct contributions to the development of the field. He has
> received numerous awards, including the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences,
> the Helmholtz Medal and the Ben Franklin Medal in Computer and
> Cognitive Science.
>
> Chomsky introduced the Chomsky hierarchy, generative grammar and the
> concept of a universal grammar, which underlies all human speech and
> is based in the innate structure of the mind/brain. Chomsky has not
> only transformed the field of linguistics, his work has influenced
> fields such as cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, computer
> science, mathematics, childhood education, and anthropology.
>
> Chomsky is also one of the most influential public intellectuals in
> the world. He has written more than 100 books, his most recent being
> “Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of
> Wealth & Power.”
>
> Chomsky joined the UA in fall 2017, coming from the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology, where he worked since 1955 and was Institute
> Professor, later Institute Professor emeritus.
> Research Interests
>
> Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
> Selected Publications
>
> List of Articles (PDF)
> List of Books (PDF)
>
> Source:
> https://linguistics.arizona.edu/user/noam-chomsky
>

Thanks for this update. I knew he was some years post-retirement at MIT,
but didn't know about Arizona.

From Wiki:
-------------
Chomsky retired from MIT in 2002, but continued to conduct research and
seminars on campus as an emeritus.
....
In 2017, Chomsky taught a short-term politics course at the University
of Arizona in Tucson and was later hired as a part-time professor in the
linguistics department there, with his duties including teaching and
public seminars. His salary is covered by philanthropic donations.
-------------

Was this what you wanted to discuss?

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 22:42:46 +1200, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

>On 16/07/2022 7:02 p.m., Steve Hayes wrote:
>> About Noam Chomsky
>>
>> Considered the founder of modern linguistics, Noam Chomsky is one of
>> the most cited scholars in modern history. Among his groundbreaking
>> books are “Syntactic Structures”, “Language and Mind,” “Aspects of the
>> Theory of Syntax,” and “The Minimalist Program,” each of which has
>> made distinct contributions to the development of the field. He has
>> received numerous awards, including the Kyoto Prize in Basic Sciences,
>> the Helmholtz Medal and the Ben Franklin Medal in Computer and
>> Cognitive Science.
>>
>> Chomsky introduced the Chomsky hierarchy, generative grammar and the
>> concept of a universal grammar, which underlies all human speech and
>> is based in the innate structure of the mind/brain. Chomsky has not
>> only transformed the field of linguistics, his work has influenced
>> fields such as cognitive science, philosophy, psychology, computer
>> science, mathematics, childhood education, and anthropology.
>>
>> Chomsky is also one of the most influential public intellectuals in
>> the world. He has written more than 100 books, his most recent being
>> “Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of
>> Wealth & Power.”
>>
>> Chomsky joined the UA in fall 2017, coming from the Massachusetts
>> Institute of Technology, where he worked since 1955 and was Institute
>> Professor, later Institute Professor emeritus.
>> Research Interests
>>
>> Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
>> Selected Publications
>>
>> List of Articles (PDF)
>> List of Books (PDF)
>>
>> Source:
>> https://linguistics.arizona.edu/user/noam-chomsky
>>
>
>Thanks for this update. I knew he was some years post-retirement at MIT,
>but didn't know about Arizona.
>
> From Wiki:
>-------------
>Chomsky retired from MIT in 2002, but continued to conduct research and
>seminars on campus as an emeritus.
>...
>In 2017, Chomsky taught a short-term politics course at the University
>of Arizona in Tucson and was later hired as a part-time professor in the
>linguistics department there, with his duties including teaching and
>public seminars. His salary is covered by philanthropic donations.
>-------------
>
>Was this what you wanted to discuss?

There is a newsgroup alt.fan.noam-chomsky where, in the past, people
used to post interesting articles by or about Noam Chomsky.

That newsgroup has now become the happy hunting ground of spammers and
trolls, mostly from GoogleGroups. I was just hoping to see some
ON-topic postings for a change, trying to remind people that might be
interested, as I find Chomsky's opinions always worth reading, even if
one doesn' agree with them. And certainly more interesting reading
than the stuff posted by the spammers and trolls.

--
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