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Subject: Mojokerto = sea-coast or delta
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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:34 UTC

Relocation of the 1936 Mojokerto skull discovery site near Perning, East Java
OF Huffman cs 2005 JHE 50:431-451

The fossil calvaria of "the Mojokerto child" was discovered in 1936, but uncertainties have persisted about its paleo-environmental context & geological age because of difficulties in relocating the discovery site.
Past relocation efforts were hindered by
- inaccuracies in old base maps,
- intensive post-1930s agricultural terracing,
- new tree & brush growth.
Fortunately, geologic cross-sections & site photographs (1936-1938, not fully utilized in past relocation fieldwork) closely circumscribe site geography & geology. These documents match the conditions at just 1 sand-stone outcrop. It is situated on the southern margin of a topographic nose at the upper end of a c.18 m-wide gully (c.0663760 m E, 9183430 m N, UTM Zone 49M), c.15 m SE of the Kumai cs (1985) re-location.
The relocated discovery bed is c.3.3 m of fossiliferous pebbly sand-stone, a river-channel deposit cut into tuffaceous mud-stone. The sand- & mud-stone beds correspond to original site descriptions. Pebbly sand-stone is also found within the skull. The calvaria is well-preserved, taphonomically similar to large & fragile spms found among several 100 vertebrate fossils excavated from the sandstone in 2001-2002. Since no well-preserved fossils were found intact at the surface of the sandstone, the good condition of the Mojokerto skull suggests: it was buried fully when discovered.
The relocated hominin bed is the uppermost fluvial sandstone of a marine-deltaic sequence in the upper-Pucangan Fm. The Mojokerto child probably died along the ancient sea-coast, judging from
- the large extent of the deltaic facies &
- evidence that the calvaria experienced minimal transport.
The relocated discovery bed is c.20 m stratigraphically above the horizon from which the widely cited 1.81 +-0.04 Ma 40/39Ar date for the skull (Swisher cs 1994) was obtained.
Additional field & laboratory results will be required to determine the skull’s age.

doi 10.1016/j.jhevol.2005.11.002Jou

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Subject: Re: Mojokerto = sea-coast or delta
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 by: DD'eDeN aka not - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 01:06 UTC

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:34:06 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Relocation of the 1936 Mojokerto skull discovery site near Perning, East Java
> OF Huffman cs 2005 JHE 50:431-451
>
> The fossil calvaria of "the Mojokerto child" was discovered in 1936, but uncertainties have persisted about its paleo-environmental context & geological age because of difficulties in relocating the discovery site.
> Past relocation efforts were hindered by
> - inaccuracies in old base maps,
> - intensive post-1930s agricultural terracing,
> - new tree & brush growth.
> Fortunately, geologic cross-sections & site photographs (1936-1938, not fully utilized in past relocation fieldwork) closely circumscribe site geography & geology. These documents match the conditions at just 1 sand-stone outcrop. It is situated on the southern margin of a topographic nose at the upper end of a c.18 m-wide gully (c.0663760 m E, 9183430 m N, UTM Zone 49M), c.15 m SE of the Kumai cs (1985) re-location.
> The relocated discovery bed is c.3.3 m of fossiliferous pebbly sand-stone, a river-channel deposit cut into tuffaceous mud-stone. The sand- & mud-stone beds correspond to original site descriptions. Pebbly sand-stone is also found within the skull. The calvaria is well-preserved, taphonomically similar to large & fragile spms found among several 100 vertebrate fossils excavated from the sandstone in 2001-2002. Since no well-preserved fossils were found intact at the surface of the sandstone, the good condition of the Mojokerto skull suggests: it was buried fully when discovered.
> The relocated hominin bed is the uppermost fluvial sandstone of a marine-deltaic sequence in the upper-Pucangan Fm. The Mojokerto child probably died along the ancient sea-coast, judging from
> - the large extent of the deltaic facies &
> - evidence that the calvaria experienced minimal transport.
> The relocated discovery bed is c.20 m stratigraphically above the horizon from which the widely cited 1.81 +-0.04 Ma 40/39Ar date for the skull (Swisher cs 1994) was obtained.
> Additional field & laboratory results will be required to determine the skull’s age.
>
> doi 10.1016/j.jhevol.2005.11.002Jou

Age unknown.

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Subject: Re: Mojokerto = sea-coast or delta
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 by: littor...@gmail.com - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 06:54 UTC

> > Relocation of the 1936 Mojokerto skull discovery site near Perning, East Java
> > OF Huffman cs 2005 JHE 50:431-451

> > The fossil calvaria of "the Mojokerto child" was discovered in 1936, but uncertainties have persisted about its paleo-environmental context & geological age because of difficulties in relocating the discovery site.
> > Past relocation efforts were hindered by
> > - inaccuracies in old base maps,
> > - intensive post-1930s agricultural terracing,
> > - new tree & brush growth.
> > Fortunately, geologic cross-sections & site photographs (1936-1938, not fully utilized in past relocation fieldwork) closely circumscribe site geography & geology. These documents match the conditions at just 1 sand-stone outcrop. It is situated on the southern margin of a topographic nose at the upper end of a c.18 m-wide gully (c.0663760 m E, 9183430 m N, UTM Zone 49M), c.15 m SE of the Kumai cs (1985) re-location.
> > The relocated discovery bed is c.3.3 m of fossiliferous pebbly sand-stone, a river-channel deposit cut into tuffaceous mud-stone. The sand- & mud-stone beds correspond to original site descriptions. Pebbly sand-stone is also found within the skull. The calvaria is well-preserved, taphonomically similar to large & fragile spms found among several 100 vertebrate fossils excavated from the sandstone in 2001-2002. Since no well-preserved fossils were found intact at the surface of the sandstone, the good condition of the Mojokerto skull suggests: it was buried fully when discovered.
> > The relocated hominin bed is the uppermost fluvial sandstone of a marine-deltaic sequence in the upper-Pucangan Fm. The Mojokerto child probably died along the ancient sea-coast, judging from
> > - the large extent of the deltaic facies &
> > - evidence that the calvaria experienced minimal transport.
> > The relocated discovery bed is c.20 m stratigraphically above the horizon from which the widely cited 1.81 +-0.04 Ma 40/39Ar date for the skull (Swisher cs 1994) was obtained.
> > Additional field & laboratory results will be required to determine the skull’s age.

> > doi 10.1016/j.jhevol.2005.11.002Jou

> Age unknown.

Pleistocene, my little boy.

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On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:34:05 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>Relocation of the 1936 Mojokerto skull discovery site near Perning, East Java
>OF Huffman cs 2005 JHE 50:431-451

For paleoenvironmental reconstruction see fig. 8 in:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338691956

These hominins could have ventured anywhere from beach to montane
forest. Trinil, Sangiran, Sambungmacan, Ngandong testify that
Indonesian H. erectus was not restricted to the coast.

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 by: JTEM is so reasonabl - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 06:36 UTC

Pandora wrote:

> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338691956

: widely attributed to H. erectus

Hmm. So the same "Academic" tradition that gave us Darwin, Piltdown
Man and Naledi won't even definitely state that it's erectus but that
doesn't so much as slow you down!

And just for shits & giggles; what the fuck is wrong with you?

Savanna idiocy can't get Homo anywhere. It just doesn't work. They're
on a savanna, this is driving their evolution, it magics up the modern
human form and then they all run off looking or a Burger King and end
up everywhere....

It's flagrant.

Aquatic Ape explains everything. Aquatic Ape gets Homo everyone from
Oceania to south Africa. It gets them to Turkana Basin and Java. It gets
them in China over 2 million years ago. They're on the beach. They're
following the water, picking up stuff & eating it. Occasionally some push
inland, start adapting. But they all stay one species because that waterside
population is still there -- the conduit through which DNA and technological
developments can move.

You're a child. A mentally damaged child -- there's your narcissistic
personality disorder you so love to parade -- but just a child. You focus like
a laser beam on one tiny data point, something you could never understand
anyway, and you don't even try to see it in context -- all the other data points,
the whole of human evolution!

Nothing you ever advanced even fits Out of Africa purity, much less debunks
a word of Aquatic Ape...

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