Humans according to decibel scale can hear a wide spectrum of volumes.

I found the windows volume bar lacking in this regards.

Steps of 0 to 100 or not enough.

This should be more like 0 to 1000 or so,

Or at least 0 to 200

Or 0 to 300.

Consider making this bar vertically longer for more precission !

Without this new feature I cannot set my denon receiver to -30 db which is probably better, currently it stuck on -20 db.

Though if I would set it on -30 db it would be even softer which is weird, cause sometimes I want it a bit louder.

Strange stuff these volume bars.

Bye for now,
Skybuck.

P.S.: Next time I am in windows 11 virtual machine I will try to fill feedback report on windows 11 maybe it can still be integrated/improved into there.

There should be at the very least a registry option to increase the length and precision of the volume bar, perhaps it already exists ?

On 1/12/22 6:56 PM, skybuck2000 wrote:
> Humans according to decibel scale can hear a wide spectrum of volumes.
>
> I found the windows volume bar lacking in this regards.
>
> Steps of 0 to 100 or not enough.
>
> This should be more like 0 to 1000 or so,
>
> Or at least 0 to 200
>
> Or 0 to 300.
>
> Consider making this bar vertically longer for more precission !
>
> Without this new feature I cannot set my denon receiver to -30 db which is probably better, currently it stuck on -20 db.
>
> Though if I would set it on -30 db it would be even softer which is weird, cause sometimes I want it a bit louder.

Assuming you're serious, what correlation is there between the precision of the
volume control and the setting on your receiver?

BTW, I'm absolutely comfortable with 100 volume steps. How many
internal steps do you think your soundcard supports?

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 5:17:20 PM UTC+1, Tobiah wrote:
> On 1/12/22 6:56 PM, skybuck2000 wrote:
> > Humans according to decibel scale can hear a wide spectrum of volumes.
> >
> > I found the windows volume bar lacking in this regards.
> >
> > Steps of 0 to 100 or not enough.
> >
> > This should be more like 0 to 1000 or so,
> >
> > Or at least 0 to 200
> >
> > Or 0 to 300.
> >
> > Consider making this bar vertically longer for more precission !
> >
> > Without this new feature I cannot set my denon receiver to -30 db which is probably better, currently it stuck on -20 db.
> >
> > Though if I would set it on -30 db it would be even softer which is weird, cause sometimes I want it a bit louder.
> Assuming you're serious, what correlation is there between the precision of the
> volume control and the setting on your receiver?
>
> BTW, I'm absolutely comfortable with 100 volume steps. How many
> internal steps do you think your soundcard supports?

I may have to dive deeper into this and the technical aspects, so far I haven't.

But here is my setup:

Laptop <--- HDMI ---> Denon Receiver < --> Speakers.

Denon Receiver is set to -20 db.

When I set windows to 100% I have no idea what the level would be on the denon receiver.

Nothing happens when I move the slider up on windows.

There may be another option which comes to mind ASIO and DoD or something.

There I have direct control over the receiver in foobar... but it makes switching between music lag because of asio driver so not ideal...

Anyway I assume for now when windows is at 100% it is nowhere near 0 db on the receiver which would be max...

If I set receiver lower to -30 db... then it would be even quiter...

So this is weird stuff and not good.

Here is a real question:

Can windows + hdmi actually transmit the volume setting to a receiver in a meaningfull way ?

Apperently not... but apperently yes... asio driver can do it somehow...

Maybe this just a windows 7 limitation I wonder if windows 11 is better.

Probably a limitation in windows 7 mixer... maybe HDMI did not even exist when windows 7 was created or this mixer or it's sound stack or barely ! ;)

Bye for now,
Skybuck.

Well foobar seems to do it in steps of 0.5 DB.

Can't say that I am truely happy or impressed with it... could have sworn I saw something more exact.

Apperently not...

What is DoP could you explain maybe you know what this ? I am not sure if this is usefull for my denon receiver.

I think I know what this is... it wraps DSD into PCM... hehe...

Hmmmm... not sure if denon receiver supports it but so far it played it when I experimented with it.

Pure DSD is a different story... does not seem to be supported.... though I could hear music very faintly... hmmm..

(Denon 1909 cannot do DSD I think but it can do DSD inside PCM=DoP that would be my understanding)

Bye for now,
Skybuck.

On 13/01/2022 3:56 pm, skybuck2000 wrote:
> Humans according to decibel scale can hear a wide spectrum of volumes.
>
> I found the windows volume bar lacking in this regards.
>
> Steps of 0 to 100 or not enough.
>
> This should be more like 0 to 1000 or so,
>
> Or at least 0 to 200
>
> Or 0 to 300.
>
> Consider making this bar vertically longer for more precission !
>
> Without this new feature I cannot set my denon receiver to -30 db which is probably better, currently it stuck on -20 db.
>
> Though if I would set it on -30 db it would be even softer which is weird, cause sometimes I want it a bit louder.
>
> Strange stuff these volume bars.
>
> Bye for now,
> Skybuck.
>
> P.S.: Next time I am in windows 11 virtual machine I will try to fill feedback report on windows 11 maybe it can still be integrated/improved into there.
>
> There should be at the very least a registry option to increase the length and precision of the volume bar, perhaps it already exists ?

The generic volume 'slider' it Windows is fine for it's general purpose use.

If you want greater precision, use the level control in your application
...... assuming you are using some sort of serious app for your purpose.

geoff