Could you give me an example --- (in German, French, or Spanish) ?

- housecat, cathouse ------- (house-monkey, monkey-house)

- lookout, outlook

- manboob, boobman

More examples like these... ?

(Kyoto, Tokyo)

------------ a really funny or clever example?

On 2022-12-14 16:24:36 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:

> Could you give me an example --- (in German, French, or Spanish) ?
>
>
> - housecat, cathouse ------- (house-monkey, monkey-house)
>
> - lookout, outlook
>
> - manboob, boobman
>
> More examples like these... ?
>
> (Kyoto, Tokyo)

That is not valid as the "to" in Kyoto has a short "o".

In Finnish:
- talorivi, rivitalo
- vararavinto, ravintovara
- apuraha, raha-apu
- aikaväli, väliaika
- sanahaku, hakusana
- pubahuuli, huulipuna

Mikko

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 9:42:56 AM UTC-8, Mikko wrote:
> On 2022-12-14 16:24:36 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
>
> > Could you give me an example --- (in German, French, or Spanish) ?
> >
> >
> > - housecat, cathouse ------- (house-monkey, monkey-house)
> >
> > - lookout, outlook
> >
> > - manboob, boobman
> >
> > More examples like these... ?
> >
> > (Kyoto, Tokyo)
> That is not valid as the "to" in Kyoto has a short "o".
>
> In Finnish:
> - talorivi, rivitalo
> - vararavinto, ravintovara
> - apuraha, raha-apu
> - aikaväli, väliaika
> - sanahaku, hakusana
> - pubahuuli, huulipuna
>
> Mikko

thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?

so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)

i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language

in English:
byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
pen-cil is a word, cil-pen is not

bay-bee is a word, bee-bay is not
tie-in is a word, in-tie is not

in Jp:
wabi (apology) -- biwa (fruit)
yashi (palm) -- shiya (field of vision)
yu-toh (hot-water container) -- toh-yu (burning oil)

kashi (confectionary, flaw) -- shika (deer)
ka-i (shell fish) ------- i-ka (squid)

neko (cat) --------- kone (Connection)
risu (squirrel) -------- suri (pick-pocket)

doh-ro (road) ------- roh-do (loanword for "Road")

................. etc.

Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:

>
> thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?
>
>
>
> so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)
>
> i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language
>
> in English:
> byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not

Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:

koekenpan, pannenkoek
meesterwerk, werkmeester
studiebureau, bureaustudie
bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
aspot, potas
melkkoeien, koeienmelk
inktpapier, papierinkt
vishengel, hengelvis
Vogelzang, zangvogel
Slingerklok, klokslinger
Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
Race-auto, autorace
Trekvogel, vogeltrek
Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
veldsport, sportveld
Washand, handwas
Wasmachine, machinewas
Aapmens, mensaap

Spoiled by interflection:

* varkensmest, mestvarken
* torenklok, klokketoren

Funny ones:

aardbei, beiaard (strawberry, carillon)
jezus, zusje (little sister; je zus: your sister)
hoofdpunt, punthoofd (main point; pinhead ~ "headache due to trouble")

Wordplay:

! ankerbalk, balk/anker (anchor beam, b.a.)
! kankerbal, bal/kanker ('blasted' ball, ball cancer)
! kankeraars, aarskanker ('grousers' [kankeren = to 'grouse'], arse cancer)
! misstanden, tandenmiss, standenmis (abuses; 'teeth miss', social
classes mass)

Word parts:

! Samen, mensa (together, mensa)
! Stang, angst (rod, fear)
! Ooit, tooi (ever, ornament)
! Mode, demo
! Kiwi, wiki
! Nomen, Menno

--
guido wugi

Thu, 15 Dec 2022 12:09:23 +0100: wugi <brol@dinges.be> scribeva:
>Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
>> in English:
>> byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
>
>
>Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:
>
>koekenpan, pannenkoek
>meesterwerk, werkmeester
>studiebureau, bureaustudie
>bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
>aspot, potas
>melkkoeien, koeienmelk
>inktpapier, papierinkt
>vishengel, hengelvis
>Vogelzang, zangvogel
>Slingerklok, klokslinger
>Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
>Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
>Race-auto, autorace
>Trekvogel, vogeltrek
>Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
>vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
>veldsport, sportveld
>Washand, handwas
>Wasmachine, machinewas
>Aapmens, mensaap

There happen to be a thread ... O, wait.

Thu, 15 Dec 2022 13:33:44 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:
>There happen to be a thread ... O, wait.

Happens. Typos happen, a thread happens. Always an s somewhere.

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:24 AM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> >
> > thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?
> >
> >
> >
> > so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)
> >
> > i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language
> >
> > in English:
> > byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
> Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:
>
> koekenpan, pannenkoek
> meesterwerk, werkmeester
> studiebureau, bureaustudie
> bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
> aspot, potas
> melkkoeien, koeienmelk
> inktpapier, papierinkt
> vishengel, hengelvis
> Vogelzang, zangvogel
> Slingerklok, klokslinger
> Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
> Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
> Race-auto, autorace
> Trekvogel, vogeltrek
> Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
> vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
> veldsport, sportveld
> Washand, handwas
> Wasmachine, machinewas
> Aapmens, mensaap
>
> Spoiled by interflection:
>
> * varkensmest, mestvarken
> * torenklok, klokketoren
>
> Funny ones:
>
> aardbei, beiaard (strawberry, carillon)
> jezus, zusje (little sister; je zus: your sister)
> hoofdpunt, punthoofd (main point; pinhead ~ "headache due to trouble")
>
> Wordplay:
>
> ! ankerbalk, balk/anker (anchor beam, b.a.)
> ! kankerbal, bal/kanker ('blasted' ball, ball cancer)
> ! kankeraars, aarskanker ('grousers' [kankeren = to 'grouse'], arse cancer)
> ! misstanden, tandenmiss, standenmis (abuses; 'teeth miss', social
> classes mass)
>
> Word parts:
>
> ! Samen, mensa (together, mensa)
> ! Stang, angst (rod, fear)
> ! Ooit, tooi (ever, ornament)
> ! Mode, demo
> ! Kiwi, wiki
> ! Nomen, Menno
>
> --
> guido wugi

thanks... would you say that [short neologisms that become current]
are more common in Dutch than in English ?

no-brainer, game-changer, ...
sitcom, smog, brunch, muppet, blog, bionic, motel, cyborg, (retrofit) ...

>>> There are at least almost 400,000 words in the Dutch language.

>>> It has been estimated that the vocabulary of English includes roughly 1 million words (although most linguists would take that estimate with a chunk of salt, and some have said they wouldn't be surprised if it is off the mark by a quarter-million); that tally includes the myriad names of chemicals and other scientific ...

Op 15/12/2022 om 18:36 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:24 AM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
>> Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
>>>
>>> thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)
>>>
>>> i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language
>>>
>>> in English:
>>> byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
>> Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:
>>
>> koekenpan, pannenkoek
>> meesterwerk, werkmeester
>> studiebureau, bureaustudie
>> bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
>> aspot, potas
>> melkkoeien, koeienmelk
>> inktpapier, papierinkt
>> vishengel, hengelvis
>> Vogelzang, zangvogel
>> Slingerklok, klokslinger
>> Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
>> Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
>> Race-auto, autorace
>> Trekvogel, vogeltrek
>> Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
>> vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
>> veldsport, sportveld
>> Washand, handwas
>> Wasmachine, machinewas
>> Aapmens, mensaap
>>
>> Spoiled by interflection:
>>
>> * varkensmest, mestvarken
>> * torenklok, klokketoren
>>
>> Funny ones:
>>
>> aardbei, beiaard (strawberry, carillon)
>> jezus, zusje (little sister; je zus: your sister)
>> hoofdpunt, punthoofd (main point; pinhead ~ "headache due to trouble")
>>
>> Wordplay:
>>
>> ! ankerbalk, balk/anker (anchor beam, b.a.)
>> ! kankerbal, bal/kanker ('blasted' ball, ball cancer)
>> ! kankeraars, aarskanker ('grousers' [kankeren = to 'grouse'], arse cancer)
>> ! misstanden, tandenmiss, standenmis (abuses; 'teeth miss', social
>> classes mass)
>>
>> Word parts:
>>
>> ! Samen, mensa (together, mensa)
>> ! Stang, angst (rod, fear)
>> ! Ooit, tooi (ever, ornament)
>> ! Mode, demo
>> ! Kiwi, wiki
>> ! Nomen, Menno
>>
>> --
>> guido wugi
>
>
> thanks... would you say that [short neologisms that become current]
> are more common in Dutch than in English ?
>
>
> no-brainer, game-changer, ...
> sitcom, smog, brunch, muppet, blog, bionic, motel, cyborg, (retrofit) ...
>
>
>
>
>
>>>> There are at least almost 400,000 words in the Dutch language.
>
>>>> It has been estimated that the vocabulary of English includes roughly 1 million words (although most linguists would take that estimate with a chunk of salt, and some have said they wouldn't be surprised if it is off the mark by a quarter-million); that tally includes the myriad names of chemicals and other scientific ...

I think English beats all.

We do have afko's, afkortingen, abbreviations, even an
afkowo[orden]bo[ek], abb. dictionary:
https://afkowobo.nl/
The vast majority of those I've never heard and don't know though.

French also knows quite a few:
vas-y mollo, il est réglo, la perm, le dico, une appli, l'ordi...

--
guido wugi

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:56:28 PM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> Op 15/12/2022 om 18:36 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:24 AM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> >> Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> >>>
> >>> thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)
> >>>
> >>> i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language
> >>>
> >>> in English:
> >>> byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
> >> Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:
> >>
> >> koekenpan, pannenkoek
> >> meesterwerk, werkmeester
> >> studiebureau, bureaustudie
> >> bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
> >> aspot, potas
> >> melkkoeien, koeienmelk
> >> inktpapier, papierinkt
> >> vishengel, hengelvis
> >> Vogelzang, zangvogel
> >> Slingerklok, klokslinger
> >> Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
> >> Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
> >> Race-auto, autorace
> >> Trekvogel, vogeltrek
> >> Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
> >> vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
> >> veldsport, sportveld
> >> Washand, handwas
> >> Wasmachine, machinewas
> >> Aapmens, mensaap
> >>
> >> Spoiled by interflection:
> >>
> >> * varkensmest, mestvarken
> >> * torenklok, klokketoren
> >>
> >> Funny ones:
> >>
> >> aardbei, beiaard (strawberry, carillon)
> >> jezus, zusje (little sister; je zus: your sister)
> >> hoofdpunt, punthoofd (main point; pinhead ~ "headache due to trouble")
> >>
> >> Wordplay:
> >>
> >> ! ankerbalk, balk/anker (anchor beam, b.a.)
> >> ! kankerbal, bal/kanker ('blasted' ball, ball cancer)
> >> ! kankeraars, aarskanker ('grousers' [kankeren = to 'grouse'], arse cancer)
> >> ! misstanden, tandenmiss, standenmis (abuses; 'teeth miss', social
> >> classes mass)
> >>
> >> Word parts:
> >>
> >> ! Samen, mensa (together, mensa)
> >> ! Stang, angst (rod, fear)
> >> ! Ooit, tooi (ever, ornament)
> >> ! Mode, demo
> >> ! Kiwi, wiki
> >> ! Nomen, Menno
> >>
> >> --
> >> guido wugi
> >
> >
> > thanks... would you say that [short neologisms that become current]
> > are more common in Dutch than in English ?
> >
> >
> > no-brainer, game-changer, ...
> > sitcom, smog, brunch, muppet, blog, bionic, motel, cyborg, (retrofit) ....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> There are at least almost 400,000 words in the Dutch language.
> >
> >>>> It has been estimated that the vocabulary of English includes roughly 1 million words (although most linguists would take that estimate with a chunk of salt, and some have said they wouldn't be surprised if it is off the mark by a quarter-million); that tally includes the myriad names of chemicals and other scientific ...
> I think English beats all.
>
> We do have afko's, afkortingen, abbreviations, even an
> afkowo[orden]bo[ek], abb. dictionary:
> https://afkowobo.nl/
> The vast majority of those I've never heard and don't know though.
>
> French also knows quite a few:
> vas-y mollo, il est réglo, la perm, le dico, une appli, l'ordi...
>
> --
> guido wugi

i found TWO nice examples in French ! (like Cunning Stunt)

la fermière sait que sa poule mue (“the farmer knows that her hen is shedding”)

À Beaumont-le-Vicomte (“In Beaumont-le-Vicomte”)

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:04:12 AM UTC-8, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:56:28 PM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> > Op 15/12/2022 om 18:36 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> > > On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:09:24 AM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> > >> Op 14/12/2022 om 19:14 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> > >>>
> > >>> thanks... are any of those pairs (esp.) humorous?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> so these are common in Jp and Chinese (and apparently Finnish)
> > >>>
> > >>> i wonder if this has been studied... the extent to which [every (phoneme) combination is used] in a language
> > >>>
> > >>> in English:
> > >>> byoo-tee is a word, tee-byoo is not
> > >> Plenty of choice in Dutch. Some:
> > >>
> > >> koekenpan, pannenkoek
> > >> meesterwerk, werkmeester
> > >> studiebureau, bureaustudie
> > >> bakvis*, visbak (* also: teenage girl)
> > >> aspot, potas
> > >> melkkoeien, koeienmelk
> > >> inktpapier, papierinkt
> > >> vishengel, hengelvis
> > >> Vogelzang, zangvogel
> > >> Slingerklok, klokslinger
> > >> Bekerwedstrijd, wedstrijdbeker
> > >> Gitaarsolo, sologitaar
> > >> Race-auto, autorace
> > >> Trekvogel, vogeltrek
> > >> Nootmuskaat, muskaatnoot
> > >> vakantiewerk, werkvakantie
> > >> veldsport, sportveld
> > >> Washand, handwas
> > >> Wasmachine, machinewas
> > >> Aapmens, mensaap
> > >>
> > >> Spoiled by interflection:
> > >>
> > >> * varkensmest, mestvarken
> > >> * torenklok, klokketoren
> > >>
> > >> Funny ones:
> > >>
> > >> aardbei, beiaard (strawberry, carillon)
> > >> jezus, zusje (little sister; je zus: your sister)
> > >> hoofdpunt, punthoofd (main point; pinhead ~ "headache due to trouble")
> > >>
> > >> Wordplay:
> > >>
> > >> ! ankerbalk, balk/anker (anchor beam, b.a.)
> > >> ! kankerbal, bal/kanker ('blasted' ball, ball cancer)
> > >> ! kankeraars, aarskanker ('grousers' [kankeren = to 'grouse'], arse cancer)
> > >> ! misstanden, tandenmiss, standenmis (abuses; 'teeth miss', social
> > >> classes mass)
> > >>
> > >> Word parts:
> > >>
> > >> ! Samen, mensa (together, mensa)
> > >> ! Stang, angst (rod, fear)
> > >> ! Ooit, tooi (ever, ornament)
> > >> ! Mode, demo
> > >> ! Kiwi, wiki
> > >> ! Nomen, Menno
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> guido wugi
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks... would you say that [short neologisms that become current]
> > > are more common in Dutch than in English ?
> > >
> > >
> > > no-brainer, game-changer, ...
> > > sitcom, smog, brunch, muppet, blog, bionic, motel, cyborg, (retrofit) ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> There are at least almost 400,000 words in the Dutch language.
> > >
> > >>>> It has been estimated that the vocabulary of English includes roughly 1 million words (although most linguists would take that estimate with a chunk of salt, and some have said they wouldn't be surprised if it is off the mark by a quarter-million); that tally includes the myriad names of chemicals and other scientific ...
> > I think English beats all.
> >
> > We do have afko's, afkortingen, abbreviations, even an
> > afkowo[orden]bo[ek], abb. dictionary:
> > https://afkowobo.nl/
> > The vast majority of those I've never heard and don't know though.
> >
> > French also knows quite a few:
> > vas-y mollo, il est réglo, la perm, le dico, une appli, l'ordi...
> >
> > --
> > guido wugi

> i found TWO nice examples in French ! (like Cunning Stunt)
>
>
> la fermière sait que sa poule mue (“the farmer knows that her hen is shedding”)
>
>
> À Beaumont-le-Vicomte (“In Beaumont-le-Vicomte”)

The Lord is a shoving leopard.

Ein literarisches Beispiel für einen Spoonerismus ist
[Die Blusen des Böhmen] (Robert Gernhardt)
statt [Die Blumen des Bösen] (Charles Baudelaire).

„Ich leg Dir ein Nest ins Ei“ <-------- is this funny, naughty? i don't get it.

Op 18/12/2022 om 19:46 schreef henh...@gmail.com:

> The Lord is a shoving leopard.
>
>
>
> Ein literarisches Beispiel für einen Spoonerismus ist
> [Die Blusen des Böhmen] (Robert Gernhardt)
> statt [Die Blumen des Bösen] (Charles Baudelaire).
>

Plenty of that in Dutch, and by extension, most languages i'd guess.
They're one of the many forms of pun I like to call "lapsilingus".

Examples:
Genadebronnen - sources of mercy ::
gebraden nonnen - fried nuns.
Vereende krachten - united forces ::
verkrachte eenden - violated ducks.
Elkaar strak in de ogen kijken - look each other straight in the eye ::
elkaar kak in de ogen strijken - brush each other poop in the eye.
Wetenschappen - sciences ::
Scheten 'wappen' - to 'wap' farts.

--
guido wugi

On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 12:36:39 PM UTC-8, wugi wrote:
> Op 18/12/2022 om 19:46 schreef henh...@gmail.com:
> > The Lord is a shoving leopard.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ein literarisches Beispiel für einen Spoonerismus ist
> > [Die Blusen des Böhmen] (Robert Gernhardt)
> > statt [Die Blumen des Bösen] (Charles Baudelaire).
> >
> Plenty of that in Dutch, and by extension, most languages i'd guess.
> They're one of the many forms of pun I like to call "lapsilingus".
>
> Examples:
> Genadebronnen - sources of mercy ::
> gebraden nonnen - fried nuns.

> Vereende krachten - united forces ::
> verkrachte eenden - violated ducks.

> Elkaar strak in de ogen kijken - look each other straight in the eye ::
> elkaar kak in de ogen strijken - brush each other poop in the eye.

> Wetenschappen - sciences ::
> Scheten 'wappen' - to 'wap' farts.
>
> --
> guido wugi

thank you! ( without the 'L' ! )

they're pretty rare in Jp, because the whole Mora must move. ------- one well-known one is [ Jaikelu-Makuson ]