Here's a poster cited by the savanna cult:

https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg

Personally, I am not a fan of this image. I think it views Aquatic
Ape as something of a panacea, explaining a host of things that
may be better matched with/explained by other models.

However, this was cited by the savanna cult as some kind of
evidence against Aquatic Ape, so...

Use the image. Go through all the "Adaptations" they identify &
explain how savanna idiocy resulted in these adaptations.

If his explanation -- Aquatic Ape -- doesn't work, explain how
savanna does, or at least why it's a better explanation.

Thanks in advance... for the crickets chirping.

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Op maandag 12 december 2022 om 20:43:59 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

> https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg

> Personally, I am not a fan of this image. I think it views Aquatic
> Ape as something of a panacea, explaining a host of things that
> may be better matched with/explained by other models.
> However, this was cited by the savanna cult as some kind of
> evidence against Aquatic Ape, so...
> Use the image. Go through all the "Adaptations" they identify &
> explain how savanna idiocy resulted in these adaptations.

IIRC, I used this illustration in one of my lectures, but forgot who made it (becoming older...),
google "david attenborough marc verhaegen".

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

> > https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg
>
> > Personally, I am not a fan of this image. I think it views Aquatic
> > Ape as something of a panacea, explaining a host of things that
> > may be better matched with/explained by other models.
> > However, this was cited by the savanna cult as some kind of
> > evidence against Aquatic Ape, so...
> > Use the image. Go through all the "Adaptations" they identify &
> > explain how savanna idiocy resulted in these adaptations.

> IIRC, I used this illustration in one of my lectures, but forgot who made it (becoming older...),
> google "david attenborough marc verhaegen".

So you know, better than I could, how the savanna cult is quick to attack
it but unwilling to offer alternative explanations, incorporating the
savanna nonsense.

...personally I suspect that the penis thing, for example, is better
explained by r/K Selection, however limited. In short: Some populations
were sexually selected while others were not. It also seems that unless
there's something funky going on with the DNA, which I don't have enough
knowledge to rule out, we'd have to have a social dynamic where females
were doing the selection. Otherwise, there's no selective pressure on the
male anatomy!

I would also argue that just standing upright, making the genitals
prominent, would be a major factor. How else could a female select for
penis size, if they're not getting a good look at it BEFORE mating?

Where Aquatic Ape comes in, as far as I can see, is in spreading Homo,
allowing all these DIFFERENT populations to result, so that one or more
could be sexually selected while one or more were not... explaining not
just larger penises in Homo than other species, but the variation within
Homo.

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Op dinsdag 13 december 2022 om 02:35:26 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
> littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > https://theaquaticape.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/human_aquatic_adaptations.jpg

> > > Personally, I am not a fan of this image. I think it views Aquatic
> > > Ape as something of a panacea, explaining a host of things that
> > > may be better matched with/explained by other models.
> > > However, this was cited by the savanna cult as some kind of
> > > evidence against Aquatic Ape, so...
> > > Use the image. Go through all the "Adaptations" they identify &
> > > explain how savanna idiocy resulted in these adaptations.

> > IIRC, I used this illustration in one of my lectures, but forgot who made it (becoming older...),
> > google "david attenborough marc verhaegen".

> So you know, better than I could, how the savanna cult is quick to attack
> it but unwilling to offer alternative explanations, incorporating the
> savanna nonsense.
> ...personally I suspect that the penis thing, for example, is better
> explained by r/K Selection, however limited. In short: Some populations
> were sexually selected while others were not. It also seems that unless
> there's something funky going on with the DNA, which I don't have enough
> knowledge to rule out, we'd have to have a social dynamic where females
> were doing the selection. Otherwise, there's no selective pressure on the
> male anatomy!
> I would also argue that just standing upright, making the genitals
> prominent, would be a major factor. How else could a female select for
> penis size, if they're not getting a good look at it BEFORE mating?
> Where Aquatic Ape comes in, as far as I can see, is in spreading Homo,
> allowing all these DIFFERENT populations to result, so that one or more
> could be sexually selected while one or more were not... explaining not
> just larger penises in Homo than other species, but the variation within
> Homo.

Humans are still very fat primates (SC fat layer = aquatic adaptation: thermo-insulating, streamline...), but our Pleist.ancestors were even fatter: you simply need a longer penis to reach the uterus mouth.

Only incredible imbeciles believe you need long penises to run after antelopes... :-DDD