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* word-pair (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...henh...@gmail.com
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i'd like to know some words (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...

such that X and Y are pronounced exactly the same,

but X and Y share no letter in common (or look very different)

---------- such a pair would be SO hard in Japanese !

_______________________

which is the opposite of....

laughter and slaughter ------------- they look so similar but pronounced so differently.

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 by: Mikko - Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:27 UTC

On 2023-02-23 18:16:01 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:

> i'd like to know some words (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...
>
> such that X and Y are pronounced exactly the same,
>
> but X and Y share no letter in common (or look very different)
>
>
> ---------- such a pair would be SO hard in Japanese !
>
>
> _______________________
>
> which is the opposite of....
>
> laughter and slaughter ------------- they look so similar but
> pronounced so differently.

German; Hund, Hunt

In French many inflections are shown in writing but not in speach,
e.g. créer, créez, créai, créé.

Mikko

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 by: henh...@gmail.com - Tue, 28 Feb 2023 15:11 UTC

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 4:27:46 AM UTC-8, Mikko wrote:
> On 2023-02-23 18:16:01 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
>
> > i'd like to know some words (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...
> >
> > such that X and Y are pronounced exactly the same,
> >
> > but X and Y share no letter in common (or look very different)
> >
> >
> > ---------- such a pair would be SO hard in Japanese !
> >
> >
> > _______________________
> >
> > which is the opposite of....
> >
> > laughter and slaughter ------------- they look so similar but
> > pronounced so differently.
> German; Hund, Hunt
>
> In French many inflections are shown in writing but not in speach,
> e.g. créer, créez, créai, créé.
>
> Mikko

thanks!!!

Recently... one night... i was thinking :
SURELY there must be a pair longer than YOU and EWE, and found:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ewer
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/youah

(no letter in common)

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 by: Daud Deden - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 06:31 UTC

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:11:44 AM UTC-5, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 4:27:46 AM UTC-8, Mikko wrote:
> > On 2023-02-23 18:16:01 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
> >
> > > i'd like to know some words (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...
> > >
> > > such that X and Y are pronounced exactly the same,
> > >
> > > but X and Y share no letter in common (or look very different)
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- such a pair would be SO hard in Japanese !
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________
> > >
> > > which is the opposite of....
> > >
> > > laughter and slaughter ------------- they look so similar but
> > > pronounced so differently.
> > German; Hund, Hunt
> >
> > In French many inflections are shown in writing but not in speach,
> > e.g. créer, créez, créai, créé.
> >
> > Mikko
> thanks!!!
>
>
> Recently... one night... i was thinking :
> SURELY there must be a pair longer than YOU and EWE, and found:
>
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ewer
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/youah
>
> (no letter in common)

I don't get it, but here's my contribution:
Ewe you yew U

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 by: Helmut Richter - Wed, 1 Mar 2023 08:37 UTC

> On 2023-02-23 18:16:01 +0000, henh...@gmail.com said:
>
> > i'd like to know some words (X, Y) in French, German, Spanish...
> >
> > such that X and Y are pronounced exactly the same,
> >
> > but X and Y share no letter in common (or look very different)

> German; Hund, Hunt

As "Hunt" is only an alternate spelling of "Hund" (not a dog, but a
vehicle used in mining or for the transport of other bulky goods), one
could replace it by an example where the words are better known and more
clearly distinct: Bund–bunt, wird–Wirt, Werg–Werk, ...

I consider these an artefact of the somewhat weird usage of IPA symbols in
dictionaries. There they use [d] for indicating voice, and [t] for
indicating voicelessness. As a final consonant is never voiced at the
word end, they denote a [d̥] as [t] regarding only voice, and disregarding
the much more distinctive features of laxness and lack of aspiration.

> In French many inflections are shown in writing but not in speach,
> e.g. créer, créez, créai, créé.

Both examples do not meet the original challenge that they have no letter
in common or look very different.

I offer French: ô (oh) versus any of
au (to the (sg)), aux (to the (pl)), eau (water), eaux (waters)

And a bilingual one: English "choir" loaned into Swahili, there
written phonetically as "kwaya" with no common letter.

--
Helmut Richter

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