http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/vincent.balter/Articles/Balter(JHE)06.pdf
Diet and behavior of the Saint-Césaire Neanderthal inferred from biogeochemical data inversion
Bio-geo-chemistry is a powerful tool for dietary reconstruction,
we use mixing equations to quantify the contribution of multiple sources to an individual's diet.
Our goals:
1) generalize the inverse method to dietary mixtures;
2) reconstruct the diet of the St-Césaire Hn, using
-- Sr/Ca & Ba/Ca data of the mineral fraction of bone (hydroxyl-apatite),
-- with published δ13C & δ15N data of the associated organic fraction of bone (collagen).
A new method is proposed to calculate the maximum diagenetic contribution of the Sr/Ba ratio,
we assume: the soil soluble fraction is the diagenetic end-member,
for a given fraction of diagenesis, this allows the restoration of the original Sr/Ba ratio.
We consider the St-Césaire Châtelperronian mammalian assemblage as the meat source,(??? --mv)
on the basis of available Sr, Ba & Ca contents of plants, the results indicate:
the % of plants in the Hn diet must have been close to 0 for realistic Sr & Ba impoverishment between diet & hydroxyl-apatite.
Contrary to previous studies, it is shown:
fish could constitute 30 % of the St-Césaire Hn's diet,
but this mass balance solution is not supported by the zoo-archaeological data.(:-DDD --mv)
When the entire faunal assemblage is considered as the dietary source,(??? --mv) the calculation shows:
-- bovids (except reindeer) represent 58 % of consumed meat,
-- horse/rhino 22 %,
-- reindeer 13 %,
-- mammoth 7 %.
These respective %% are in close accordance with zoo-archaeological records,(:-DDD --mv)
this suggests: the faunal assemblage ass.x the St-Césaire Hn reliably reflects what he ate during the last few years of his life,
this supports: this Hn carried the foodstuffs back to the St-Césaire shelter before their consumption.

:-DDD

Excellent example of the stupidity of the kudu=bovid hunters!
They begin by assuming Hn ate meat, and then conclude Hn ate meat...

I don't say Hn's diet didn't include meat, but comparative anatomy is clear:
- POS (pachy-osteo-sclerosis He>>Hn>>Hs) is only seen in shallow diving tetrapods,
- platycephaly: very low long flat skull,
- platymeria: dorso-ventrally flattened femora + very long femoral neck = lateral leg movements, not running!!
- platypelloidy = very broad pelvis = idem: lateral leg movements,
- very valgus knees = not often running,
- shorter tibias Hn<Hs,
- feet even flatter >Hs,
- big nose, surrounded by large paranasal air sinuses,
- extremely large brain (CC++) suggests incl. aq.foods: DHA etc.

Most likely, Hn had a very varied diet (CC++), not fully coastal (POS<<He), but still incl. frequent diving + back-floating, probably for consuming aq..plants & opening shellfish.
Hn is typically found at coasts or big rivers: I assume they seasonally followed the Meuse, Rhine etc. inland: salmon trek??
If they hunted at all - they were even slower than we are on land! - they used traps etc.?

I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation:
for chasing bovids??

:-DDD

> http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/vincent.balter/Articles/Balter(JHE)06.pdf
> Diet and behavior of the Saint-Césaire Neanderthal inferred from biogeochemical data inversion
> Bio-geo-chemistry is a powerful tool for dietary reconstruction,
> we use mixing equations to quantify the contribution of multiple sources to an individual's diet.
> Our goals:
> 1) generalize the inverse method to dietary mixtures;
> 2) reconstruct the diet of the St-Césaire Hn, using
> -- Sr/Ca & Ba/Ca data of the mineral fraction of bone (hydroxyl-apatite),
> -- with published δ13C & δ15N data of the associated organic fraction of bone (collagen).
> A new method is proposed to calculate the maximum diagenetic contribution of the Sr/Ba ratio,
> we assume: the soil soluble fraction is the diagenetic end-member,
> for a given fraction of diagenesis, this allows the restoration of the original Sr/Ba ratio.
> We consider the St-Césaire Châtelperronian mammalian assemblage as the meat source,(??? --mv)
> on the basis of available Sr, Ba & Ca contents of plants, the results indicate:
> the % of plants in the Hn diet must have been close to 0 for realistic Sr & Ba impoverishment between diet & hydroxyl-apatite.
> Contrary to previous studies, it is shown:
> fish could constitute 30 % of the St-Césaire Hn's diet,
> but this mass balance solution is not supported by the zoo-archaeological data.(:-DDD --mv)
> When the entire faunal assemblage is considered as the dietary source,(??? --mv) the calculation shows:
> -- bovids (except reindeer) represent 58 % of consumed meat,
> -- horse/rhino 22 %,
> -- reindeer 13 %,
> -- mammoth 7 %.
> These respective %% are in close accordance with zoo-archaeological records,(:-DDD --mv)
> this suggests: the faunal assemblage ass.x the St-Césaire Hn reliably reflects what he ate during the last few years of his life,
> this supports: this Hn carried the foodstuffs back to the St-Césaire shelter before their consumption.
>
> :-DDD
>
> Excellent example of the stupidity of the kudu=bovid hunters!
> They begin by assuming Hn ate meat, and then conclude Hn ate meat...
>
> I don't say Hn's diet didn't include meat, but comparative anatomy is clear:
> - POS (pachy-osteo-sclerosis He>>Hn>>Hs) is only seen in shallow diving tetrapods,
> - platycephaly: very low long flat skull,
> - platymeria: dorso-ventrally flattened femora + very long femoral neck = lateral leg movements, not running!!
> - platypelloidy = very broad pelvis = idem: lateral leg movements,
> - very valgus knees = not often running,
> - shorter tibias Hn<Hs,
> - feet even flatter >Hs,
> - big nose, surrounded by large paranasal air sinuses,
> - extremely large brain (CC++) suggests incl. aq.foods: DHA etc.
>
> Most likely, Hn had a very varied diet (CC++), not fully coastal (POS<<He), but still incl. frequent diving + back-floating, probably for consuming aq.plants & opening shellfish.
> Hn is typically found at coasts or big rivers: I assume they seasonally followed the Meuse, Rhine etc. inland: salmon trek??
> If they hunted at all - they were even slower than we are on land! - they used traps etc.?

On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 05:28:00 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation:

If it's pathology, as in modern humans, then it indicates they were
not adapted to such a lifestyle.
If it's an adaptation (e.g. against barotrauma) then all Hn's should
have it bilaterally.

Which one is it?

> >I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation.

Kudu runner:

> If it's pathology, as in modern humans, then it indicates they were
> not adapted to such a lifestyle.
> If it's an adaptation (e.g. against barotrauma) then all Hn's should
> have it bilaterally.
> Which one is it?

:-DDD A typical example of your infantile black-white thinking.

Auditory exostoses = cold water irrigation.

On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 06:06:50 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation.
>
>Kudu runner:
>
>> If it's pathology, as in modern humans, then it indicates they were
>> not adapted to such a lifestyle.
>> If it's an adaptation (e.g. against barotrauma) then all Hn's should
>> have it bilaterally.
>> Which one is it?
>
>:-DDD A typical example of your infantile black-white thinking.
>
>Auditory exostoses = cold water irrigation.

Yes, more than 50% incidence in Neandertals,
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0220464

an indication they were not very well adapted to such a lifestyle, and
to little to be a species-level adaptation.

I there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.
But this is already too difficult for fanatic believers in Sta Savanna...
Why don't these idiots waste their own time??

_____

> >> >I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation.
> >
> >Kudu runner:
> >
> >> If it's pathology, as in modern humans, then it indicates they were
> >> not adapted to such a lifestyle.
> >> If it's an adaptation (e.g. against barotrauma) then all Hn's should
> >> have it bilaterally.
> >> Which one is it?
> >
> >:-DDD A typical example of your infantile black-white thinking.
> >
> >Auditory exostoses = cold water irrigation.

> Yes, more than 50% incidence in Neandertals,
> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0220464
>
> an indication they were not very well adapted to such a lifestyle, and
> to little to be a species-level adaptation.

MP Richards 2007 pp.223-234 in "Diet shift at the Middle/Upper Palaeolithic transition in Europe? The stable isotope evidence" W Roebroeks ed. "Guts and Brains" Leiden UP Fig.1 & 2
Same results in e.g. C Wißing cs 2016 Quat Internat 411:327-345 "Isotopic evidence for dietary ecology of late Neandertals in NW-Europe" C Wißing cs 2019 Scient Reports 9:4433:
Neandertal isotopes are perfectly intermediate between freshwater & coastal foods, very very unlike terrestrial foods.
Only incredible imbeciles believe neandertals ran after bovids!!
Hn simply seasonally followed the river inland.

I can't understand how stupid stupid stupid the kudu runners are.

_________

> http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/vincent.balter/Articles/Balter(JHE)06.pdf
> Diet and behavior of the Saint-Césaire Neanderthal inferred from biogeochemical data inversion
> Bio-geo-chemistry is a powerful tool for dietary reconstruction,
> we use mixing equations to quantify the contribution of multiple sources to an individual's diet.
> Our goals:
> 1) generalize the inverse method to dietary mixtures;
> 2) reconstruct the diet of the St-Césaire Hn, using
> -- Sr/Ca & Ba/Ca data of the mineral fraction of bone (hydroxyl-apatite),
> -- with published δ13C & δ15N data of the associated organic fraction of bone (collagen).
> A new method is proposed to calculate the maximum diagenetic contribution of the Sr/Ba ratio,
> we assume: the soil soluble fraction is the diagenetic end-member,
> for a given fraction of diagenesis, this allows the restoration of the original Sr/Ba ratio.
> We consider the St-Césaire Châtelperronian mammalian assemblage as the meat source,(??? --mv)
> on the basis of available Sr, Ba & Ca contents of plants, the results indicate:
> the % of plants in the Hn diet must have been close to 0 for realistic Sr & Ba impoverishment between diet & hydroxyl-apatite.
> Contrary to previous studies, it is shown:
> fish could constitute 30 % of the St-Césaire Hn's diet,
> but this mass balance solution is not supported by the zoo-archaeological data.(:-DDD --mv)
> When the entire faunal assemblage is considered as the dietary source,(??? --mv) the calculation shows:
> -- bovids (except reindeer) represent 58 % of consumed meat,
> -- horse/rhino 22 %,
> -- reindeer 13 %,
> -- mammoth 7 %.
> These respective %% are in close accordance with zoo-archaeological records,(:-DDD --mv)
> this suggests: the faunal assemblage ass.x the St-Césaire Hn reliably reflects what he ate during the last few years of his life,
> this supports: this Hn carried the foodstuffs back to the St-Césaire shelter before their consumption.
>
> :-DDD
>
> Excellent example of the stupidity of the kudu=bovid hunters!
> They begin by assuming Hn ate meat, and then conclude Hn ate meat...
>
> I don't say Hn's diet didn't include meat, but comparative anatomy is clear:
> - POS (pachy-osteo-sclerosis He>>Hn>>Hs) is only seen in shallow diving tetrapods,
> - platycephaly: very low long flat skull,
> - platymeria: dorso-ventrally flattened femora + very long femoral neck = lateral leg movements, not running!!
> - platypelloidy = very broad pelvis = idem: lateral leg movements,
> - very valgus knees = not often running,
> - shorter tibias Hn<Hs,
> - feet even flatter >Hs,
> - big nose, surrounded by large paranasal air sinuses,
> - extremely large brain (CC++) suggests incl. aq.foods: DHA etc.
>
> Most likely, Hn had a very varied diet (CC++), not fully coastal (POS<<He), but still incl. frequent diving + back-floating, probably for consuming aq.plants & opening shellfish.
> Hn is typically found at coasts or big rivers: I assume they seasonally followed the Meuse, Rhine etc. inland: salmon trek??
> If they hunted at all - they were even slower than we are on land! - they used traps etc.?

On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 08:01:02 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>I there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.

And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?
I mean, La Ferrassie 1 has it bilaterally (grade 1) but La Ferrassie 2
does not (grade 0), Saccopastore 1 has it (left, grade 1) but
Saccopastore 2 does not, Shanidar 1 has it bilaterally (grade 3) but
Shanidar 5 does not.

Does Saint-Cesaire have ear exostoses?

>But this is already too difficult for fanatic believers in Sta Savanna...
>Why don't these idiots waste their own time??

What worries me a bit is that only three fish bones were identified at
Saint-Cesaire, possibly corresponding to as many individuals, based on
size and morphology, out of a total of 824. That's 0.3%. And those are
identified as cyprinid (1) and brown trout (2), not salmon.
The vast majority of the animal remains from the Neanderthal layer
(Ejop sup) are reindeer, bison and horse (19.7%, 47.4%, 17%
respectively).
See chapter 5 in:
https://doi.org/10.1017/CBO9781139150972

This is what Balter and Simon mean when they argue that fish
consumption at Saint-Cesaire "is not supported by the
zooarchaeological data:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2006.04.008

>> >> >I forgot Hn's ear-exostoses = cold water irrigation.
>> >
>> >Kudu runner:
>> >
>> >> If it's pathology, as in modern humans, then it indicates they were
>> >> not adapted to such a lifestyle.
>> >> If it's an adaptation (e.g. against barotrauma) then all Hn's should
>> >> have it bilaterally.
>> >> Which one is it?
>> >
>> >:-DDD A typical example of your infantile black-white thinking.
>> >
>> >Auditory exostoses = cold water irrigation.
>
>> Yes, more than 50% incidence in Neandertals,
>> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0220464
>>
>> an indication they were not very well adapted to such a lifestyle, and
>> to little to be a species-level adaptation.

> >If there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.

Kudu runner:
> And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?

:-DDD

Grow up.

On Tue, 7 Feb 2023 15:23:47 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >If there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.
>
>Kudu runner:
>> And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?
>
>:-DDD
>
>Grow up.

I'm trying to help you here, to find evidence for seasonal migration
along rivers and salmon fishing at Saint-Cesaire, but with only 0.3%
fish remains (none from Salmonidae) at the Neandertal level at this
site there isn't much I can do I'm afraid.

> >> >If there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.

Kudu runner:
> >> And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?

> >:-DDD Grow up.

> I'm trying to help you here, to find evidence for seasonal migration
> along rivers and salmon fishing at Saint-Cesaire, but with only 0.3%

Thanks, my boy, that's more than I expected.

> fish remains (none from Salmonidae) at the Neandertal level at this
> site there isn't much I can do I'm afraid.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 08:25:53 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> >> >If there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.
>
>Kudu runner:
>> >> And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?
>
>> >:-DDD Grow up.
>
>> I'm trying to help you here, to find evidence for seasonal migration
>> along rivers and salmon fishing at Saint-Cesaire, but with only 0.3%
>
>Thanks, my boy, that's more than I expected.

Really, how much did you expect? 0.2%, 0.1%, or 0.0%?
And how does that compare to 73% artiodactyls and 21% perissodactyls?

>> fish remains (none from Salmonidae) at the Neandertal level at this
>> site there isn't much I can do I'm afraid.

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>

The REAL abstract

http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/vincent.balter/Articles/Balter(JHE)06.pdf
Diet and behavior of the Saint-Ce´saire Neanderthal
inferred from biogeochemical data inversion

Abstract
Biogeochemistry is a powerful tool for dietary
reconstruction, and mixing equations can be used to
quantify the contribution of multiple sources to an
individual's diet. The goals of this paper are: 1) to
generalize the inverse method to dietary mixtures;
and 2) to reconstruct the diet of the Saint-Césaire
Neanderthal using Sr/Ca and Ba/Ca data of the mineral
fraction of bone (hydroxylapatite), and with published
δ13C and δ15N data of the associated organic fraction
of bone (collagen). A new method is proposed to
calculate the maximum diagenetic contribution of the
Sr/Ba ratio, assuming that the soil soluble fraction
is the diagenetic end-member and, for a given fraction
of diagenesis, allows the restoration of the original
Sr/Ba ratio. Considering the Saint-Césaire
Châtelperronian mammalian assemblage as the meat
source, and on the basis of available Sr, Ba, and Ca
contents of plants, the results indicate that the
percentage of plants in the Neanderthal's diet must
have been close to zero for realistic Sr and Ba
impoverishment between diet and hydroxylapatite.
Contrary to previous studies, it is shown that fish
could constitute a significant proportion (30%) of
the diet of the Saint-Césaire Neanderthal. However,
this mass balance solution is not supported by the
zooarchaeological data. When the entire faunal
assemblage is considered as the dietary source, the
calculation shows that bovids (except reindeer)
represent the greatest percentage of consumed meat
(58%), followed by horses/rhinoceros (22%), reindeer
(13%), and mammoths (7%). These respective percentages
are in close accordance with zooarchaeological records,
suggesting that the faunal assemblage associated with
the Neanderthal of Saint-Césaire reliably reflects what
he ate during the last few years of his life. In
behavioral terms, this result supports the hypothesis
that this Neanderthal carried the foodstuffs back to
the Saint-Césaire shelter before their consumption.

From the conclusion:

"In the case of the Middle-Upper Palaeolithic site of
Saint-Ce´saire, it is shown that even if 27% of the
Sr/Ba ratio of the Neanderthal could be explained by
diagenesis, plant resources did not constitute a
sizable proportion of the diet of the Neanderthal.
However, from the elemental and isotopic points of
view, it is possible that fish may have contributed
to the overall biogeochemical signature of the
Neanderthal, although this result is not supported by
zooarchaeological data. When the ungulates are pooled
according to their elemental and isotopic pattern,
their respective proportions in the diet of the
Neanderthal resemble those deduced by zooarchaeology.
This suggests that this Neanderthal brought the
foodstuffs back to the site before their consumption,
and thus did not practice passive scavenging."

> :-DDD
>
> Excellent example of the stupidity of the kudu=bovid hunters!
> They begin by assuming Hn ate meat, and then conclude Hn ate meat...
>
> I don't say Hn's diet didn't include meat, but comparative anatomy is clear:

The biogeochemical data is more clear.

BTW, comparative data doesn't explain why ALL aquatic mammals are
quadrupeds.

:=DDDDDDDDD

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>> If there's only 1 Neandertal with ear exostoses, this Neandertal frequently swam in colder water.
>
> Kudu runner:
>>>> And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?
>
>>> :-DDD Grow up.
>
>> I'm trying to help you here, to find evidence for seasonal migration
>> along rivers and salmon fishing at Saint-Cesaire, but with only 0.3%
>
> Thanks, my boy, that's more than I expected.

Or deserve. Now child, explain Pandora's info:

And what if that Neandertal does not have any ear exostoses at all?
I mean, La Ferrassie 1 has it bilaterally (grade 1) but La Ferrassie 2
does not (grade 0), Saccopastore 1 has it (left, grade 1) but
Saccopastore 2 does not, Shanidar 1 has it bilaterally (grade 3) but
Shanidar 5 does not.

>> fish remains (none from Salmonidae) at the Neandertal level at this
>> site there isn't much I can do I'm afraid.