Neandertals on the beach:
Use of marine resources at Grotta dei Moscerini (Latium, Italy)
Paola Villa cs 2020 PLOS doi org/10.1371/journal.pone.0226690

Excavated in 1949, Grotta dei Moscerini (MIS-5 to early MIS-4) is 1 of 2 Italian Hn sites with a large assemblage of retouched shells (n=171) from 21 layers. The other occurrence is from the broadly contemporaneous layer L of Grotta del Cavallo, S-Italy (n=126). 8 other Mousterian sites in Italy & 1 in Greece also have shell tools, but in a very small nr. The shell tools are made on valves of the smooth clam Callista chione. The general idea that the valves of Callista chione were collected by Hn on the beach after the death of the mollusk is incomplete. At Moscerini, 23.9 % of the spms were gathered directly from the sea-floor as live animals by skin-diving Hn. Archaeological data from sites in Italy, France & Spain confirm: shell-fishing & fresh-water fishing was a common activity of Hn, as indicated by anatomical studies recently published by E.Trinkaus. Lithic analysis provides data to show the relation between stone tools & shell tools. Several layers contain pumices derived from volcanic eruptions in the Ischia Island or the Campi Flegrei (prior to the Campanian Ignimbrite mega-eruption). Their rounded edges indicate: they were transported by sea-currents to the beach at the base of the Moscerini sequence. Their presence in the occupation layers above the beach is discussed. The most plausible hypothesis: they were collected by Hn. Incontrovertible evidence that Hn collected pumices is provided by a cave in Liguria. Use of pumices as abraders is well documented in the Upper Paleolithic. We prove: the exploitation of submerged aquatic resources & the collection of pumices common in the UP were part of Hn behavior, well before Hs arrival in W-Europe.

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Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 06:39:10 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG

:-) Yes, thanks for the confirmation:
diving for shellfish is OK, but see this man running after kudus... :-D

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 06:39:10 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG
>
> :-) Yes, thanks for the confirmation:
> diving for shellfish is OK, but see this man running after kudus... :-D
>

The guy in that picture probably hasn't seen his toes in years
and mv thinks the guy can dive for shellfish?

https://www.ddrc.org/diving/can-i-dive/can-i-dive-if-obese/

"Obesity is now very common a recent report by the world
health organisation (WHO) showed that over 64% of UK Adults
were obese or overweight. This is being reflected in the
diving population. Being overweight or obese can have adverse
effects in divers. This includes having a higher risk of
developing diving related issues such as decompression
sickness (DCS). As well as other non-diving related issues
that can impact on a person’s fitness to dive and diver
safety."

"When you are obese you have an increased fat content of the
body. Nitrogen (or other inert gases) slowly build up in fat
cells and take a long time to dissipate. This means obese
people will have a bigger inert gas load over a dive than
somebody with a body weight in the healthy range. This means
that obese people are more likely to develop DCS. In
addition dive computers are programmed with dive tables
based on studies done on people with a weight in the healthy
range. As they are not adjusted based on body fat content
this increases the risk of DCS in obese divers.

"Lastly, it is well established that obesity increases the
incidence of many other medical conditions such as diabetes,
heart attack, high blood pressure, lung disease,
gastro-oesophageal reflux and stroke. These conditions can
cause further complications when diving which, in the worst
cases, can cause death when SCUBA diving."

Imagine that guy waddling on land trying to escape a
predator. Or bending over to get something.

Maybe he can breath through the nostrils on the end of his nose.

> > :-) Yes, thanks for the confirmation:
> > diving for shellfish is OK, but see this man running after kudus... :-D

Santa Savanna believer:

> The guy in that picture probably hasn't seen his toes in years
> and mv thinks the guy can dive for shellfish?
>
> https://www.ddrc.org/diving/can-i-dive/can-i-dive-if-obese/
> "Obesity is now very common a recent report by the world
> health organisation (WHO) showed that over 64% of UK Adults
> were obese or overweight. This is being reflected in the
> diving population. Being overweight or obese can have adverse
> effects in divers. This includes having a higher risk of
> developing diving related issues such as decompression
> sickness (DCS). As well as other non-diving related issues
> that can impact on a person’s fitness to dive and diver
> safety."
> "When you are obese you have an increased fat content of the
> body. Nitrogen (or other inert gases) slowly build up in fat
> cells and take a long time to dissipate. This means obese
> people will have a bigger inert gas load over a dive than
> somebody with a body weight in the healthy range. This means
> that obese people are more likely to develop DCS. In
> addition dive computers are programmed with dive tables
> based on studies done on people with a weight in the healthy
> range. As they are not adjusted based on body fat content
> this increases the risk of DCS in obese divers.
> "Lastly, it is well established that obesity increases the
> incidence of many other medical conditions such as diabetes,
> heart attack, high blood pressure, lung disease,
> gastro-oesophageal reflux and stroke. These conditions can
> cause further complications when diving which, in the worst
> cases, can cause death when SCUBA diving."
> Imagine that guy waddling on land trying to escape a
> predator. Or bending over to get something.
> Maybe he can breath through the nostrils on the end of his nose.

Yes, my boy, you might be right here:
no doubt IYO, he ran after kudus... :-DDD

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> The guy in that picture probably hasn't seen his toes in years
> and mv thinks the guy can dive for shellfish?

Wait. So you're saying that some morbidly obese man got that
way because he survived -- fed himself -- by diving for shellfish?

Honestly. Are you insane? Stupid? Or are you trolling?

Because you're just contradicting. NOTHING you post makes
sense. Oh, you've ranted on & on about elephant brains, bird
brains and now obesity? NEVER once mapping anything out,
NEVER once closing one of your own goddamn circles...

The person in your "Cited" image is not a Neanderthal or erectus
or ANYONE living a hunter-gatherer existence by exploiting marine
resources.

And yet he has to be in order to make a goddamn difference.

SIT ON YOUR HANDS!

If you're not willing or capable of putting any thought into these
topics, stop posting, Find a topic you know about... the failure
of the mental health system, for example.

Kisses.

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JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> The guy in that picture probably hasn't seen his toes in years
>> and mv thinks the guy can dive for shellfish?
>
> Wait. So you're saying that some morbidly obese man got that
> way because he survived -- fed himself -- by diving for shellfish?

This is mv's ideal for aa. That and nostrils on the tip of the nose.

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> :-) Yes, thanks for the confirmation:
>>> diving for shellfish is OK, but see this man running after kudus... :-D
>
> Santa Savanna believer:
>
>> The guy in that picture probably hasn't seen his toes in years
>> and mv thinks the guy can dive for shellfish?
>>
>> https://www.ddrc.org/diving/can-i-dive/can-i-dive-if-obese/
>> "Obesity is now very common a recent report by the world
>> health organisation (WHO) showed that over 64% of UK Adults
>> were obese or overweight. This is being reflected in the
>> diving population. Being overweight or obese can have adverse
>> effects in divers. This includes having a higher risk of
>> developing diving related issues such as decompression
>> sickness (DCS). As well as other non-diving related issues
>> that can impact on a person’s fitness to dive and diver
>> safety."
>> "When you are obese you have an increased fat content of the
>> body. Nitrogen (or other inert gases) slowly build up in fat
>> cells and take a long time to dissipate. This means obese
>> people will have a bigger inert gas load over a dive than
>> somebody with a body weight in the healthy range. This means
>> that obese people are more likely to develop DCS. In
>> addition dive computers are programmed with dive tables
>> based on studies done on people with a weight in the healthy
>> range. As they are not adjusted based on body fat content
>> this increases the risk of DCS in obese divers.
>> "Lastly, it is well established that obesity increases the
>> incidence of many other medical conditions such as diabetes,
>> heart attack, high blood pressure, lung disease,
>> gastro-oesophageal reflux and stroke. These conditions can
>> cause further complications when diving which, in the worst
>> cases, can cause death when SCUBA diving."
>> Imagine that guy waddling on land trying to escape a
>> predator. Or bending over to get something.
>> Maybe he can breath through the nostrils on the end of his nose.
>
> Yes, my boy, you might be right here:
> no doubt IYO, he ran after kudus... :-DDD
>

"Fat" is your model. It's an unhealthy condition.

netloon blabla:

> "Fat" is your model. It's an unhealthy condition.

Why don't these netloons inform a little bit before talking??

THE AQUATIC APE THEORY AND SOME COMMON DISEASES
1987 Medical Hypotheses 24: 293-300
Abstract
The Aquatic Ape Theory claims that human ancestors once lived in a semi-aquatic habitat. Some human diseases might be explained by our aquatic past. Such problems include hyperventilation, periodic breathing, laryngo- and bronchospasm, vasomotor rhinopathy, seborrhea, dandruff, male pattern alopecia, rhinophyma, osteoarthritis, inguinal hernias, varicose veins, common obesity, myopia, and ear-wax.
....
Absence of surrounding water
Humans are very prone to degenerative joint disease of spine and legs (osteoarthritis of cervical and lumbar vertebrae, hips and knees), and – in adult men – to inguinal hernias. Possibly, these disorders were less common in a previous watery habitat, because they seem to be due to our present-day vertical stance, and to the absence of the counter-pressure of surrounding water (3). The same can be said about varicose veins and their complications (ulcus cruris). The causes of these troubles – the upright posture and the occurrence of an extensive network of limb veins – may lie in our semi-aquatic past (11).
Also ordinary obesity, a mainly hereditary disease very common in humans, which worsens several other diseases (osteoarthritis, diabetes mellitus, heart failure, periodic breathing, bronchitis, etc.), could be an aquatic rudiment. All sea mammals are thick-bellied. In an aquatic habitat, even extreme obesity would have less complications (e.g. heart failure, osteoarhtritis), since the fat is supported by surrounding water (11).

littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> netloon blabla:
>
>> "Fat" is your model. It's an unhealthy condition.
>
> Why don't these netloons inform a little bit before talking??

Explain this

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG

kudu runner:

> Explain this
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG

Easy, my little little body (why dont these idiots grow up?? why don't these netloons inform a little bit before talking??):
THE AQUATIC APE THEORY AND SOME COMMON DISEASES 1987 Med.Hypoth.24:293-300
abstract: AAT claims that human ancestors once lived in a semi-aquatic habitat. Some human diseases might be explained by our aquatic past, e.g.
hyperventilation, periodic breathing, laryngo- & bronchospasm, vasomotor rhinopathy, seborrhea, dandruff, male pattern alopecia, rhinophyma, osteo-arthritis, inguinal hernias, varicose veins, common obesity, myopia, ear-wax.
.... Also ordinary obesity (a mainly hereditary disease, very common in humans, which worsens several other diseases: osteo-arthritis, diabetes mellitus, heart failure, periodic breathing, bronchitis etc.) could be an aquatic rudiment. All sea-mammals are thick-bellied. In an aquatic habitat, even extreme obesity would have less complications (e.g. heart failure, osteo-arhtritis), since the fat is supported by surrounding water (11).

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Explain this
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG

It's already been explained many times; you're fucked in the head!

Hint: Do you think that person is better suited to wading in the water or
chasing an antelope on a savanna?

Because he is every bit as much a savanna runner as he is an Aquatic Ape.
In fact, you DO argue that he is evolved to run!

You're fucked up. For real. You now only don't know what is and is not an
argument, but you keep REPEATING your stupid mistakes!

Stop already. Take a sedative. Relax.

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> kudu runner:
>
>> Explain this
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG
>
> Easy, my little little body (why dont these idiots grow up?? why don't these netloons inform a little bit before talking??):
> THE AQUATIC APE THEORY AND SOME COMMON DISEASES 1987 Med.Hypoth.24:293-300

45 years out of date.

kudu runner:
> >> Explain this
> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG

> > Easy, my little little boy (why dont these idiots grow up?? why don't these netloons inform a *little* bit before talking??):
> > THE AQUATIC APE THEORY AND SOME COMMON DISEASES 1987 Med.Hypoth.24:293-300

> 45 years out of date.

And you had no time to read it? busy running after your antelopes? :-D

Abstract: AAT claims that human ancestors once lived in a semi-aquatic habitat. Some human diseases might be explained by our aquatic past, e.g. hyperventilation, periodic breathing, laryngo- & bronchospasm, vasomotor rhinopathy, seborrhea, dandruff, male pattern alopecia, rhinophyma, osteo-arthritis, inguinal hernias, varicose veins, common obesity, myopia, ear-wax. ... Also ordinary obesity (a mainly hereditary disease, very common in humans, which worsens several other diseases: osteo-arthritis, diabetes mellitus, heart failure, periodic breathing, bronchitis etc.) could be an aquatic rudiment. All sea-mammals are thick-bellied. In an aquatic habitat, even extreme obesity would have less complications (e.g. heart failure, osteo-arhtritis), since the fat is supported by surrounding water (11).

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> 45 years out of date.

Lol! Nuclear fission will be 85 years "Out of date" never
December.

You're a rationalizing putz, on your good days.

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 06:39:10 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:At_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.JPG
>
> :-) Yes, thanks for the confirmation:
> diving for shellfish is OK, but see this man running after kudus... :-D
>

That fat mound of flesh diving? LOL

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> That fat mound of flesh diving? LOL

"....clearly he's so fat that he could only ever un marathons."

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