Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?

In the song titled Sukiyaki for Anglophone audiences, two
consecutive vowels are pronounced separately, not as a
diphthong. Does that hold for three consecutive vowels too?

The word of interest is KAWAII meaning Cuteness. Does
each of the vowels take up one or two moras?

Tue, 25 Jul 2023 03:47:59 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
<ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> scribeva:

>Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
>
>In the song titled Sukiyaki for Anglophone audiences, two
>consecutive vowels are pronounced separately, not as a
>diphthong. Does that hold for three consecutive vowels too?
>
>The word of interest is KAWAII meaning Cuteness. Does
>each of the vowels take up one or two moras?

There's clickable sample here:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84#Pronunciation
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:33:34 PM UTC+5:30, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tue, 25 Jul 2023 03:47:59 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
> <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> scribeva:
> >Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
> >
> >In the song titled Sukiyaki for Anglophone audiences, two
> >consecutive vowels are pronounced separately, not as a
> >diphthong. Does that hold for three consecutive vowels too?
> >
> >The word of interest is KAWAII meaning Cuteness. Does
> >each of the vowels take up one or two moras?
> There's clickable sample here:
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84#Pronunciation
> --
I don't know how to search for the page you found. The audio
clip sounds like [kɐʋɐji:] to my ear, 3 syllables. I found the
Hiragana spelling:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=kawaii+hiragana>
It indicates 4 syllables <kɐ ʋɐ i i> unless <i i> means a long
(2 mora) syllable.

Tue, 25 Jul 2023 05:24:56 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
<ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> scribeva:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:33:34?PM UTC+5:30, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Tue, 25 Jul 2023 03:47:59 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
>> <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> scribeva:
>> >Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
>> >
>> >In the song titled Sukiyaki for Anglophone audiences, two
>> >consecutive vowels are pronounced separately, not as a
>> >diphthong. Does that hold for three consecutive vowels too?
>> >
>> >The word of interest is KAWAII meaning Cuteness. Does
>> >each of the vowels take up one or two moras?
>> There's clickable sample here:
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%8F%AF%E6%84%9B%E3%81%84#Pronunciation
>> --

>I don't know how to search for the page you found.

I found it by googling kawaii, then found the kanji+hiragana and full
hiragana spelling (in Wikipedia, I think). I copy&pasted that to the
search line adding wiktionary, and found the pages I linked to.

I can't any of the four Japanese scripts myself.

> The audio
> clip sounds like [k???ji:] to my ear, 3 syllables. I found the
> Hiragana spelling:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=kawaii+hiragana>
> It indicates 4 syllables <k? ?? i i> unless <i i> means a long
> (2 mora) syllable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii

--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:48:01 AM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:
> Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
>
> In the song titled Sukiyaki for Anglophone audiences, two
> consecutive vowels are pronounced separately, not as a
> diphthong. Does that hold for three consecutive vowels too?
>
> The word of interest is KAWAII meaning Cuteness. Does
> each of the vowels take up one or two moras?

KAWAII --- technically 4 moras, but often no different from KAWAI

kawai is Oldish, Poetic synonym.
as in the old Pop song that goes.... ( Ringo kawai-ya, kawai-ya Ringo )

Phys.Ed. is Tai-iku, and Taiku is a different word.

oka = hill
ooka = cherry flower (?), ooka-suru ("to enjoy its heyday")
oooka = big hill, or Surname, (or name of city)

https://wikitravel.org › Kamioooka
Kamioka (上大岡）is a city in Yokohama,Japan. Kamioka is one of the subcenter of Yokohama. It's residential area. Around the station,there is a lot of traffic on ...

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:01 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?

It depends on emotion. Like if you can't get an airline out of Kyoto, late at night on a holiday and then suddenly you find one leaving in an hour named ANA, a native Japanese person might say Zennikkūūū (ぜんにっくうう, 全日空--).

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:16:45 PM UTC+5:30, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:01 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
> It depends on emotion. Like if you can't get an airline out of Kyoto, late at night on a holiday and then suddenly you find one leaving in an hour named ANA, a native Japanese person might say Zennikkūūū (ぜんにっくうう, 全日空--).

Thanks for the example.
Why did you put macrons on the u's?
ぜ ze
んに nni
っく kku
うう uu
Not having heard it, I imagine it sounding like Zennikkuwoo.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:18:56 PM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:16:45 PM UTC+5:30, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:01 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > > Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
> > It depends on emotion. Like if you can't get an airline out of Kyoto, late at night on a holiday and then suddenly you find one leaving in an hour named ANA, a native Japanese person might say Zennikkūūū (ぜんにっくうう, 全日空--).
> Thanks for the example.
> Why did you put macrons on the u's?
> ぜ ze
> んに nni
> っく kku
> うう uu
> Not having heard it, I imagine it sounding like Zennikkuwoo.

全日空 == ぜん にっくう

Zen - Nikku u

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 8:54:35 AM UTC+5:30, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:18:56 PM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:16:45 PM UTC+5:30, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:01 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > > > Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
> > > It depends on emotion. Like if you can't get an airline out of Kyoto, late at night on a holiday and then suddenly you find one leaving in an hour named ANA, a native Japanese person might say Zennikkūūū (ぜんにっくうう, 全日空--).
> > Thanks for the example.
> > Why did you put macrons on the u's?
> > ぜ ze
> > んに nni
> > っく kku
> > うう uu
> > Not having heard it, I imagine it sounding like Zennikkuwoo.
> 全日空 == ぜん にっくう
>
> Zen - Nikku u

I found that it's a short form; Nikku doesn't have its usual meaning of
Ray as in Ray of sunlight.

Zen Nikku u is short for zen nihon kōkū meaning All Nihon Airways..
nihon kōkū is Japan Airlines, so zen must mean All.

The onlyJapanese zen I knew of till now was etymologically from
Chinese chán from Sanskrit dhyaan meaning concentrated thought,
aka meditation, whence Zen Buddhism.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:18:56 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:16:45 PM UTC+5:30, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:48:01 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> > > Subject: How are 3 consecutive vowels pronounced in Japanese?
> > It depends on emotion. Like if you can't get an airline out of Kyoto, late at night on a holiday and then suddenly you find one leaving in an hour named ANA, a native Japanese person might say Zennikkūūū (ぜんにっくうう, 全日空--).
> Thanks for the example.
> Why did you put macrons on the u's?

No. I never thought that would be an issue.

> ぜ ze
> んに nni
> っく kku
> うう uu
> Not having heard it

Then, you haven't heard it shouted or otherwise said in strong emotion? Perhaps?

If "zennikkuuu !!!" has to be spelled with such emotion. then it seems like its spelled 全日空うon various Japanese websites.