It looks plausible to me that Arabic مقالة (maqala=article, essay) is
cognate to Hebrew קול (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
the meaning is related. Is this true?

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Helmut Richter

Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:41:50 +0200: Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de>
scribeva:

>It looks plausible to me that Arabic ????? (maqala=article, essay) is
>cognate to Hebrew ??? (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
>the meaning is related. Is this true?

Looks like it, yes:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maqala
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%82%D9%88%D9%84
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9C#Hebrew

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Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55 AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:

> It looks plausible to me that Arabic مقالة (maqala=article, essay) is
> cognate to Hebrew קול (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
> the meaning is related. Is this true?

Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:08:27
> From: Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: sci.lang
> Subject: Re: Is Arabic maqala (article) cognate of Hebrew qol (voice)?
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55 AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:
>
> > It looks plausible to me that Arabic مقالة (maqala=article, essay) is
> > cognate to Hebrew קול (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
> > the meaning is related. Is this true?
>
> Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
> long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)

Well, I try to make a difference between „I find no reason to disbelieve it“
and „I have good reasons for believing it“ (what I admitted). In fact, I
wanted to make sure that the ma- prefix is indeed a prefix and not a part
of a root of which I was not aware. I know the Hebrew rules quite well how
to construct the different mishqalim of nouns from the root, but not those
of Arabic.

--
Helmut Richter

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:16:37 AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:08:27
> > From: Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com>
> > Newsgroups: sci.lang
> > Subject: Re: Is Arabic maqala (article) cognate of Hebrew qol (voice)?
> > On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55 AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:
> >
> > > It looks plausible to me that Arabic مقالة (maqala=article, essay) is
> > > cognate to Hebrew קול (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
> > > the meaning is related. Is this true?
> > Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
> > long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)
>
> Well, I try to make a difference between „I find no reason to disbelieve it“
> and „I have good reasons for believing it“ (what I admitted). In fact, I
> wanted to make sure that the ma- prefix is indeed a prefix and not a part
> of a root of which I was not aware. I know the Hebrew rules quite well how
> to construct the different mishqalim of nouns from the root, but not those
> of Arabic.

(pretty much the same, plus the complication of "broken plurals")

I was thinking of borrowing, but presumably the root is QWL, making them
true cognates.

Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:16:33 +0200: Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de>
scribeva:

>On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:08:27
>> From: Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com>
>> Newsgroups: sci.lang
>> Subject: Re: Is Arabic maqala (article) cognate of Hebrew qol (voice)?
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55?AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:
>>
>> > It looks plausible to me that Arabic ????? (maqala=article, essay) is
>> > cognate to Hebrew ??? (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
>> > the meaning is related. Is this true?
>>
>> Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
>> long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)
>
>Well, I try to make a difference between „I find no reason to disbelieve it“
>and „I have good reasons for believing it“ (what I admitted). In fact, I
>wanted to make sure that the ma- prefix is indeed a prefix and not a part
>of a root of which I was not aware. I know the Hebrew rules quite well how
>to construct the different mishqalim of nouns from the root, but not those
>of Arabic.

maqaal is listed under the root m-w-l in Hans Wehr's Arabic-English
dictionary, on page 933 (the root starts on page 932). The book has
been online for some time now, don't know how legal that is:
https://ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=946,ll=2670,ls=16,la=3777,sg=882,ha=646,br=805,pr=130,aan=541,mgf=740,vi=311,kz=2238,mr=570,mn=1171,uqw=1371,umr=906,ums=770,umj=692,ulq=1454,uqa=359,uqq=319,bdw=h740,amr=h535,asb=h829,auh=h1335,dhq=h470,mht=h768,msb=h205,tla=h88,amj=h684,ens=h1,mis=h1825

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Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023, Ruud Harmsen wrote:

> Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:16:33 +0200: Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de>
> scribeva:
>
> >On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:08:27
> >> From: Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com>
> >> Newsgroups: sci.lang
> >> Subject: Re: Is Arabic maqala (article) cognate of Hebrew qol (voice)?
> >>
> >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55?AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:
> >>
> >> > It looks plausible to me that Arabic ????? (maqala=article, essay) is
> >> > cognate to Hebrew ??? (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
> >> > the meaning is related. Is this true?
> >>
> >> Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
> >> long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)
> >
> >Well, I try to make a difference between „I find no reason to disbelieve it“
> >and „I have good reasons for believing it“ (what I admitted). In fact, I
> >wanted to make sure that the ma- prefix is indeed a prefix and not a part
> >of a root of which I was not aware. I know the Hebrew rules quite well how
> >to construct the different mishqalim of nouns from the root, but not those
> >of Arabic.
>
> maqaal is listed under the root m-w-l in Hans Wehr's Arabic-English

It’s just a typo but here significant: must read "listed under the root q-w-l"

> dictionary, on page 933 (the root starts on page 932). The book has
> been online for some time now, don't know how legal that is:
> https://ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=946,ll=2670,ls=16,la=3777,sg=882,ha=646,br=805,pr=130,aan=541,mgf=740,vi=311,kz=2238,mr=570,mn=1171,uqw=1371,umr=906,ums=770,umj=692,ulq=1454,uqa=359,uqq=319,bdw=h740,amr=h535,asb=h829,auh=h1335,dhq=h470,mht=h768,msb=h205,tla=h88,amj=h684,ens=h1,mis=h1825

--
Helmut Richter

Sat, 14 Oct 2023 09:45:57 +0200: Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de>
scribeva:

>> maqaal is listed under the root m-w-l in Hans Wehr's Arabic-English
>
>It’s just a typo but here significant: must read "listed under the root q-w-l"
>
>> dictionary, on page 933 (the root starts on page 932). The book has
>> been online for some time now, don't know how legal that is:
>> https://ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=946,ll=2670,ls=16,la=3777,sg=882,ha=646,br=805,pr=130,aan=541,mgf=740,vi=311,kz=2238,mr=570,mn=1171,uqw=1371,umr=906,ums=770,umj=692,ulq=1454,uqa=359,uqq=319,bdw=h740,amr=h535,asb=h829,auh=h1335,dhq=h470,mht=h768,msb=h205,tla=h88,amj=h684,ens=h1,mis=h1825

That's right, thanks. I corrected it, but only half of it.

--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Fri, 13 Oct 2023 17:16:33 +0200: Helmut Richter <hr.u...@email.de>
> scribeva:
> >On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 16:08:27
> >> From: Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com>
> >> Newsgroups: sci.lang
> >> Subject: Re: Is Arabic maqala (article) cognate of Hebrew qol (voice)?
> >> On Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 8:41:55?AM UTC-4, Helmut Richter wrote:

> >> > It looks plausible to me that Arabic ????? (maqala=article, essay) is
> >> > cognate to Hebrew ??? (qol = voice), as the consonants are the same and
> >> > the meaning is related. Is this true?
> >> Is there reason to think not? (Note that the middle a is long, and that
> >> long-a in the Canaanite languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, etc.) > long-o.)
> >Well, I try to make a difference between „I find no reason to disbelieve it“
> >and „I have good reasons for believing it“ (what I admitted). In fact, I
> >wanted to make sure that the ma- prefix is indeed a prefix and not a part
> >of a root of which I was not aware. I know the Hebrew rules quite well how
> >to construct the different mishqalim of nouns from the root, but not those
> >of Arabic.
>
> maqaal is listed under the root m-w-l in Hans Wehr's Arabic-English
> dictionary, on page 933 (the root starts on page 932). The book has
> been online for some time now, don't know how legal that is:

There's no way a word with Q could be from a root without Q. Q figures
neither in inflection nor in derivation.

It looks like you read the Quf in the running head as a Miim.

https://ejtaal.net/aa/#hw4=946,ll=2670,ls=16,la=3777,sg=882,ha=646,br=805,pr=130,aan=541,mgf=740,vi=311,kz=2238,mr=570,mn=1171,uqw=1371,umr=906,ums=770,umj=692,ulq=1454,uqa=359,uqq=319,bdw=h740,amr=h535,asb=h829,auh=h1335,dhq=h470,mht=h768,msb=h205,tla=h88,amj=h684,ens=h1,mis=h1825

I assumed you'd be looking at the German original, but that's
the same Wehr-Cowan English version that I've had for about 50
years. (J M. Cowan told me he didn't actually know Arabic when
I asked him if we could have an Arabic class at Cornell. That was
before the mjor Near Eastern department was introduced.)

The Spoken Language Services paperback reprint that I have was
in fact, it turned out, pirated and withdrawn from sale,.

NB that's J No Period Milton Cowan.