On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 9:04:16 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Bipedal wading is seen in e.g. Nasalis monkey in mangrove forests, they also climb sometimes arms overhead.
> > > India approached S-Asia c 30-20 Ma: island archipels, full of coastal forests:
> > > Catarrhini reaching these islands became wading bipedally + climbing arms overhead = aquarboreal Hominoidea.
> > > India underneath Asia c 20 Ma split hylobatids (E) & other=great apes (W) in coastal forests along N-Tethys Ocean.
> > > Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split pongids (E) & hominids (W): Medit.Sea + incipient Red Sea swamp forests.
> > > N-Rift fm, followed by Gorilla -> Afar -> Praeanthr.afarensis->boisei, today G.gorilla & beringei.
> > > 6-5 Red Sea opens into Gulf (Francesca mansfiels casued by Zanclean mega-flood):
> > > -- Pan right: E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Transvaal -> Austr.africanus->robustus (// Gorilla) -> today Pan trogl. & paniscus.
> > > -- Homo left: S.Asian coasts -> Java early-Pleist. -> shallow-dving: pachy-osteo-sclerosis, DHA, brain+, tool use, shell engravings...
> > > mid->late-Pleist.: diving->wading->walking H.sapiens.
> > > Simple, no?
> > > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
> > > IOW, only *incredible*idiots believe their Plio- or Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D
> kudu runner:
> > Anecdotal nonsense.
>
> Every details is biologically correct,

Meaningless.

] my little boy.
> Moreover, it fits remarkably well with plate tectonics:
> https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
>
> "Group selection"?? :-DDD
> You still live in the middle ages.
> Keep running after your kudus.

You got nothing, you straw-baiting asshole.

> > > > Bipedal wading is seen in e.g. Nasalis monkey in mangrove forests, they also climb sometimes arms overhead.
> > > > India approached S-Asia c 30-20 Ma, which formed island archipels, full of coastal forests:
> > > > Catarrhini reaching these islands became wading bipedally + climbing arms overhead = aquarboreal Hominoidea.
> > > > India underneath Asia c 20 Ma split hylobatids (E) & other=great apes (W) in coastal forests along N-Tethys Ocean.
> > > > The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split pongids (E) & hominids (W):hominids in the Med.Sea.
> > > > The hominids s.s. (Gorilla-Homo-Pan) colonized the swamp forests of the (then incipient) Red Sea.
> > > > N-Rift fm, followed by Gorilla -> Afar -> Praeanthr.afarensis (Lucy etc.) ->boisei, today G.gorilla & beringei.
> > > > 6-5 Red Sea opens into Gulf (Francesca Mansfield thinks caused by Zanclean mega-flood):
> > > > -- Pan right: E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Transvaal -> Austr.africanus->robustus (// Gorilla) -> today Pan trogl. & paniscus.
> > > > -- Homo left: S.Asian coasts -> Java early-Pleist. -> shallow-dving: pachy-osteo-sclerosis, DHA, brain+, tool use, shell engravings...
> > > > mid->late-Pleist.: diving->wading->walking H.sapiens. Simple, no?
> > > > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
> > > > IOW, only *incredible*idiots believe their Plio- or Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D

kudu runner:
> > > Anecdotal nonsense.

> > :-D Every details is biologically correct,

> Meaningless.

:-DDD Only for kudu runners. (Are *you* the most retarded of them all??)

> > Moreover, it fits remarkably well with plate tectonics:
> > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

> > "Group selection"?? :-DDD
> > You still live in the middle ages. Never heard of DNA??
> > Keep running after your kudus.

> You got nothing, you straw-baiting asshole.

:-D Catch your kudu, my boy.

Not unlikely the late-Miocene Red Sea hominids already used stone tools: for removing oysters from mangrove trees? + opening them?
This explains early-Pleistocene Oldowan in Africa.
But why did Homo (only early-Pleist.?) evolve from wading to shallow-diving?
- POS, exclusively seen in shallow-diving tetrapods,
- platycephaly, platymeria, platypelloidy,
- longer & more horizontal femoral necks (lateral leg movements),
- larger apertura nasalis (big nose),
- more dorsal foramen magnum,
- brain much larger (DHA in seafood),
- island colonisations, Flores etc.,
- shell engravings, google "Joordens, Munro",
- better stone tools etc.
Different populations of shellfish cf. Ice Ages??

2013 Hum.Evol.28:237-266
"The aquatic ape evolves:
common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis"

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 11:12:22 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Bipedal wading is seen in e.g. Nasalis monkey in mangrove forests, they also climb sometimes arms overhead.
> > > > > India approached S-Asia c 30-20 Ma, which formed island archipels, full of coastal forests:
> > > > > Catarrhini reaching these islands became wading bipedally + climbing arms overhead = aquarboreal Hominoidea.
> > > > > India underneath Asia c 20 Ma split hylobatids (E) & other=great apes (W) in coastal forests along N-Tethys Ocean.
> > > > > The Mesopotamian Seaway closure c 15 Ma split pongids (E) & hominids (W):hominids in the Med.Sea.
> > > > > The hominids s.s. (Gorilla-Homo-Pan) colonized the swamp forests of the (then incipient) Red Sea.
> > > > > N-Rift fm, followed by Gorilla -> Afar -> Praeanthr.afarensis (Lucy etc.) ->boisei, today G.gorilla & beringei.
> > > > > 6-5 Red Sea opens into Gulf (Francesca Mansfield thinks caused by Zanclean mega-flood):
> > > > > -- Pan right: E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Transvaal -> Austr.africanus->robustus (// Gorilla) -> today Pan trogl. & paniscus.
> > > > > -- Homo left: S.Asian coasts -> Java early-Pleist. -> shallow-dving: pachy-osteo-sclerosis, DHA, brain+, tool use, shell engravings...
> > > > > mid->late-Pleist.: diving->wading->walking H.sapiens. Simple, no?
> > > > > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
> > > > > IOW, only *incredible*idiots believe their Plio- or Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D
>
> kudu runner:
> > > > Anecdotal nonsense.
> > > :-D Every details is biologically correct,
>
> > Meaningless.
>
> :-DDD Only for kudu runners. (Are *you* the most retarded of them all??)
> > > Moreover, it fits remarkably well with plate tectonics:
> > > https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
>
> > > "Group selection"?? :-DDD
> > > You still live in the middle ages. Never heard of DNA??
> > > Keep running after your kudus.
>
> > You got nothing, you straw-baiting asshole.
> :-D Catch your kudu, my boy.
>
> Not unlikely the late-Miocene Red Sea hominids already used stone tools: for removing oysters from mangrove trees? + opening them?
> This explains early-Pleistocene Oldowan in Africa.
> But why did Homo (only early-Pleist.?) evolve from wading to shallow-diving?
> - POS, exclusively seen in shallow-diving tetrapods,
> - platycephaly, platymeria, platypelloidy,
> - longer & more horizontal femoral necks (lateral leg movements),
> - larger apertura nasalis (big nose),
> - more dorsal foramen magnum,
> - brain much larger (DHA in seafood),
> - island colonisations, Flores etc.,
> - shell engravings, google "Joordens, Munro",
> - better stone tools etc.
> Different populations of shellfish cf. Ice Ages??
>
> 2013 Hum.Evol.28:237-266
> "The aquatic ape evolves:
> common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis"

This is completely worthless anecdotal nonsense.