https://youtu.be/u6kc7rEQXpI?t=126

Queued up to the bit on crocs.

I have to ask, as I've never not been aware of the
facts but, why do some savanna idiots think that
crocs are an issue for Aquatic Ape?

"Because those crocs gnawing on Lucy's ilk?
They didn't exist. Crocs only exist in the ocean."

Something like that, is it?

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 15:51:26 -0700 (PDT), JTEM is so reasonable
<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://youtu.be/u6kc7rEQXpI?t=126
>
>Queued up to the bit on crocs.
>
>I have to ask, as I've never not been aware of the
>facts but, why do some savanna idiots think that
>crocs are an issue for Aquatic Ape?

Because australopithecines and early Homo lived along huge crocs in
the Turkana Basin and Olduvai Gorge?

>"Because those crocs gnawing on Lucy's ilk?
>They didn't exist. Crocs only exist in the ocean."
>
>Something like that, is it?

Certainly you must have heard of saltwater crocodile?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_crocodile

https://i0.wp.com/www.languageonthemove.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/croc-warning_cairns.jpg?ssl=1

This may have been a problem for Asian Homo erectus.

JTEM:
> >https://youtu.be/u6kc7rEQXpI?t=126
> >Queued up to the bit on crocs.
> >I have to ask, as I've never not been aware of the
> >facts but, why do some savanna idiots think that
> >crocs are an issue for Aquatic Ape?

kudu runner:
> Because australopithecines and early Homo lived along huge crocs in
> the Turkana Basin and Olduvai Gorge?

:-DDD
My little little boy, apiths are fossil relatives of Gorilla (E.Afr.) or else Pan (Pliocene S.Africa? early-Pleist.also E.Africa?), forgot??

1) Pliocene was not in Africa: forgot retroviral evidence??

2) Fossil Afr.apes lived not far from crocs (at least from their eggs... :-DDD), e.g.
- Tabarin KNM-TH 13150 “pre-australopithecine”: ‘The fauna includes aquatic animals such as molluscs, fish, turtles, crocodiles, and hippotami, along with others that might be found in the vicinity of a lake of river’ (Ward & Hill 1987).
- "Ardip."ramidus: ‘Sedimentological, botanical and faunal evidence suggests a wooded habitat for the Aramis hominids […] Aquatic elements (turtle, fish, crocodile) are rare. Large mammals (hippopotamus, proboscideans, rhinos, equids, giraffids, bovines) are rare. Primates are very abundant’ (WoldeGabriel cs 1994).
- Hadar AL.288 Lucy lay in a small, slow moving stream. ‘Fossil preservation at this locality is excellent, remains of delicate items such as crocodile and turtle eggs and crab claws being found’ (Johanson & Taieb 1976).
- Chesowanja boisei: ‘The fossiliferous sediments were deposited in a lagoon […] Abundant root casts […] suggest that the embayment was flanked by reeds and the presence of calcareous algae indicates that the lagoon was warm and shallow. Bellamya and catfish are animals tolerant of relatively stagnant water, and such situation would also be suitable for turtles and crocodiles’ (Carney cs 1971).
- Olduvai O.H.24 "habilis" (Homo??): ‘Crocodile remains predominate among the faunal material from this site and more than 2,000 teeth were found. Tortoise plates, shells of Urocyclid slugs, fish vertebrae and scales, bird bones and pieces of ostrich eggshell were also relatively common (Leakey cs 1971).
- Malawi UR 501 gracile ("Homo"??): ‘The Plio-Pleistocene Chiwondo Beds of Northern Malawi have yielded molluscs and fragmented remains of fish, turtles, crocodiles and large mammals […] Microvertebrates and carnivores are virtually unrepresented in the assemblage […] The general ecological setting of the Malawi Rift during the Late Pliocene was a mosaic environment including open and closed, dry and wet habitats, and which harbored a small and ecologically unstable paleolake Malawi’ (Schrenk cs 1995).

Grow up, my little boy!
Accept what is evident:
your ancestors never ran after gazelles... :-DDD

kudu runner:
> Certainly you must have heard of saltwater crocodile?
> This may have been a problem for Asian Homo erectus.

And your African savanna ancestor ran away from lions??? :-DDD

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 07:59:16 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com"
<littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

>kudu runner:
>> Certainly you must have heard of saltwater crocodile?
>> This may have been a problem for Asian Homo erectus.
>
>And your African savanna ancestor ran away from lions??? :-DDD

Or was it the other way around?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDubMeNlSxc

Pandora wrote:

> >I have to ask, as I've never not been aware of the
> >facts but, why do some savanna idiots think that
> >crocs are an issue for Aquatic Ape?

> Because australopithecines and early Homo lived along huge crocs in
> the Turkana Basin and Olduvai Gorge?

And? Because if that's HALF an answer then it's the smaller half.

> >"Because those crocs gnawing on Lucy's ilk?
> >They didn't exist. Crocs only exist in the ocean."
> >
> >Something like that, is it?

> Certainly you must have heard of saltwater crocodile?

Lord knows you're not bright, and you're unaware of this fact (despite
the constant reminders) but... so what? Exposure was actually
REDUCED on the sea shore, not increased.

Do you not get this?

Australopithecus was exposed to crocs everywhere it lived. And
you don't have an issue with this. But following the shore, WHICH
WE KNOW FOR A FACT THE AQUATIC APE POPULATION DID
("coastal dispersal) is impossible, because of the far less exposure
to crocs...

Your <ahem> "Argument" is that Australopithecus could be dinner
for crocs, but Aquatic Ape couldn't exist because crocs existed.

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kudu runner:
> >> Certainly you must have heard of saltwater crocodile?
> >> This may have been a problem for Asian Homo erectus.

> >And your African savanna ancestor ran away from lions??? :-DDD

> Or was it the other way around?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDubMeNlSxc

Interesting, thanks, but this was not how Mio-Pliocene "apes" evolved, of course:
-Pliocene Homo followed S-Asian coasts: we have no Pliocene African retroviral DNA, e.g. Yohn cs 2005 PLoS Biol 3:1-11,
-Hominoidea google "aquarboreal".

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> kudu runner:

> > Or was it the other way around?
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDubMeNlSxc

> Interesting, thanks, but this was not how Mio-Pliocene "apes" evolved, of course:
> -Pliocene Homo followed S-Asian coasts: we have no Pliocene African retroviral DNA, e.g. Yohn cs 2005 PLoS Biol 3:1-11,
> -Hominoidea google "aquarboreal".

Not that he's bright but, he seems to be "Arguing" that hunting on
the savanna is so difficult, so unproductive that it's better to
challenge an entire pride of hungry lions for their kill, rather than
take down an antelope of their own.

This is why I've frequently gone off about "Training" instead of
"Learning." People are conditioned to think along certain lines:

Brainwashed.

They are so well trained, they are such obedient dogs that they
find it impossible to consider the obvious, not when it conflicts
with the limits planted inside their brains.

Good God! These men think it's better to challenge a pride of
lions for leftover meat then to bother "The Risk" of killing an
antelope...

"Hey, guys, let's stand up and walk slowly towards all those
hungry lions! Wouldn't that be better than trying to actually
hunt?"

Gosh. I can see what the savanna is such an attractive model...

yeah that was sarcasm.

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Op zondag 23 juli 2023 om 22:55:38 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

> Gosh. I can see what the savanna is such an attractive model...

Yes, they reasoned:
-our closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa,
-apes+monkeys are quadrupedal & live in forests,
-only humans are bipedal & don't live in forests,
-IOW, when our ancestors left the forests, they became bipedal,
-outside the forest in Africa = savanna,
-IOW, our ancestors were savanna bipeds, QED
This was confirmed by australopith fossils in S.Africa, Ethiopia etc., who were assumed to be "human ancestors" (anthropocentrism).

But *real* scientist Phillip Tobias (e.g. https://users.ugent.be/~mvaneech/Report.html):
"We were all "profoundly and unutterably wrong"...