Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue Stacks, I
like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.

Although the Android subsystem has not yet been implemented, I did a
test install of Win11 a few days ago and will be all ready to evaluate.

philo wrote:
> Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue
> Stacks, I like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.
>
> Although the Android subsystem has not yet been implemented, I did a
> test install of Win11 a few days ago and will be all ready to
> evaluate.

Though I also run BlueStacks on my W10 laptop, and this Chromebook runs
Android apps, I am often disappointed on both devices that either the
apps run poorly or fail to run full screen. Certainly not like a
dedicated Android device. Hopefully things will work better in W11.

Some won't even install.

If they work well until Win11, it will be a popular OS.

On 7/9/2021 9:02 AM, AJL wrote:
> philo wrote:
>> Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue
>> Stacks, I like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.
>>
>> Although the Android subsystem has not yet been implemented, I did a
>>  test install of Win11 a few days ago and will be all ready to
>> evaluate.
>
> Though I also run BlueStacks on my W10 laptop, and this Chromebook runs
> Android apps, I am often disappointed on both devices that either the
> apps run poorly or fail to run full screen. Certainly not like a
> dedicated Android device. Hopefully things will work better in W11.

Yeah, BlueStacks is of limited value because so many apps either don't
run at all, or run slowly.

philo wrote on 09.07.2021 18:36
> Some won't even install.
> If they work well until Win11, it will be a popular OS.

I have tested _all_ the free Android emulators on Windows, in Windows 10,
and while my Windows 10 box won't work with Windows 11, I will say each
Android emulator is quite different, I like the home version of Genymotion
over the rest.
<https://www.genymotion.com/download/>

In most cases I found Android apps worked _faster_ on Windows but, of
course, a lot depends on your hardware (I have 16GB of RAM for example).

Here is how you can test whether your Windows 10 will take Windows 11.
*ReadySunValley 0.11.8*
https://github.com/builtbybel/ReadySunValley/releases

*mq1n/Win11SysCheck.exe*
https://github.com/mq1n/Win11SysCheck/releases/tag/8

*rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11 2.3.0.3*
https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases

*Microsoft PC Check Tool*
Microsoft confirms that the Windows 11 PC Check Tool is unreliable
https://news.thewindowsclub.com/microsoft-confirms-that-the-pc-check-tool-is-unreliable-105906/
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On the Android newsgroup we discuss topics to learn from each other.

sms wrote:
> On 7/9/2021 9:02 AM, AJL wrote:
>> philo wrote:
>>> Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue
>>> Stacks, I like the idea of Windows being able to run them
>>> natively.
>>>
>>> Although the Android subsystem has not yet been implemented, I
>>> did a test install of Win11 a few days ago and will be all ready
>>> to evaluate.
>>
>> Though I also run BlueStacks on my W10 laptop, and this Chromebook
>> runs Android apps, I am often disappointed on both devices that
>> either the apps run poorly or fail to run full screen. Certainly
>> not like a dedicated Android device. Hopefully things will work
>> better in W11.
>
> Yeah, BlueStacks is of limited value because so many apps either
> don't run at all, or run slowly.

Probably your machine. BlueStacks is designed for gaming. It likely
takes a powerful setup to run well. It also takes up mucho memory on my
LT. Fortunately I use it mainly for my Android news and radio apps which
don't require much speed capability.

BTW I also tried the W10 phone app that syncs the LT to my Android
phone. It allows me to run Android apps remotely. While the apps run
fine, everything on the W10 screen runs in a small phone window. Nothing
full screen. Worse than using the emulator IMO. Laughably when I tried
using a radio app the sound came out of the phone, not the LT. But in
fairness to MS, the app is not designed for what I want but rather to
run the phone (texting etc) remotely from the laptop. It does work well
for that.

No.
What does not install is a memo pad.

Photo editor...no problem.

Machine is quad core with 16 gigs if RAM

That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.

philo wrote:

> Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue Stacks, I
> like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.

Win11 may not use BlueStacks, but presumably it will use some other form
of Android emulator?

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
> > Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue Stacks, I
> > like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.
>
> Win11 may not use BlueStacks, but presumably it will use some other form
> of Android emulator?

Seems it runs Android in a VM and creates Windows apps that bridge to
Android apps:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/microsofts-windows-subsystem-for-android-sounds-a-lot-like-chrome-os/

Theo

In article <iksrpcFqnf0U2@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> philo wrote:
>
> > Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue Stacks, I
> > like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.
>
> Win11 may not use BlueStacks, but presumably it will use some other form
> of Android emulator?

it uses intel bridge, which recompiles them to native x86.

<https://www.engadget.com/intel-bridge-windows-11-android-apps-181527847.
html>
...The next version of Microsoft's operating system will support
Android apps. What's more, Windows 11 won't be only emulating them. 

Intel says Bridge is a runtime post-compiler that allows applications
that were originally designed for a variety of different hardware
platforms to run natively on x86 devices. The company points out the
technology is part of its ongoing XPU strategy, which means it won't
be merely limited to bringing Android apps to Windows 11.

For those worried about AMD compatibility, worry not. Microsoft says
Intel Bridge will work across x86 processors, including those made by
AMD.

On 7/10/21 1:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> philo wrote:
>
>> Although I can run many of my Android apps on Win10 using Blue Stacks,
>> I like the idea of Windows being able to run them natively.
>
> Win11 may not use BlueStacks, but presumably it will use some other form
> of Android emulator?
>

Supposedly it will run natively with no emulator.

On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
> That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.

What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.

--
Ken

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 08:47:38 -0700, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
>
>
>What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.

Another way to get hacked

KenW

On 7/9/2021 10:50 AM, AJL wrote:

<snip>

> Probably your machine. BlueStacks is designed for gaming. It likely
> takes a powerful setup to run well. It also takes up mucho memory on my
> LT. Fortunately I use it mainly for my Android news and radio apps which
> don't require much speed capability.

It's a Core i7 laptop with 16GB of RAM and a separate graphics chip. How
fast of a machine are you thinking is necessary?

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
> > That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
>
> What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.

What the OP wrote in the OP.

It used to be that a newsreader could easily show the parent of an
article [1], but nowadays [2], newsreader authors seem to have
'forgotten' such basic functionality.

But don't you worry, you can always use View -> Message Source and
then paste the last MID in the 'References:' header into the box of the
'Usenet Article Lookup' at <http://al.howardknight.net>! Just kidding!

[1] In my newsreader it's 'u', for go 'up' in the thread.

[2] read: the last two decades or more.

On 7/10/2021 10:32 AM, sms wrote:
> On 7/9/2021 10:50 AM, AJL wrote:

> <snip>

You snipped your complaint that BlueStacks ran slow on your machine.

>> Probably your machine. BlueStacks is designed for gaming. It likely
>> takes a powerful setup to run well.

> It's a Core i7 laptop with 16GB of RAM and a separate graphics chip.
> How fast of a machine are you thinking is necessary?

I have no clue why your setup runs BlueStacks slow. But as I said
BlueStacks is designed for gaming, and gamers generally need speed.
Since the reviews I've read have been positive I ASSumed the gamers were
happy with it.

I mainly run much slower news and radio apps on it and notice little
difference from my Android phone or tablets. And this w10 laptop I have
BlueStacks on is a paltry i5 with 8GB of RAM and nothing special in the
graphics department. But as always YMMV.

AJL wrote on 10.07.2021 20:07
> But as I said
> BlueStacks is designed for gaming, and gamers generally need speed.

I have tried _every_ free Android emulator on an older Windows machine
(which has an AMD processor and a BIOS but it does have 16GB of RAM).

Every single Android emulator I tested worked completely differently.

I repeat this since it's the point AJL is making which is that each emulator
worked completely differently in my tests of a variety of Android apps.

That means my advice for anyone like Steve who is having problems with any
given app "running slowly" on Windows 10, is to try another emulator.

On 7/10/2021 10:41 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> > That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
>>
>> What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.
>
> What the OP wrote in the OP.
>
> It used to be that a newsreader could easily show the parent of an
> article [1], but nowadays [2], newsreader authors seem to have
> 'forgotten' such basic functionality.
>
> But don't you worry, you can always use View -> Message Source and
> then paste the last MID in the 'References:' header into the box of the
> 'Usenet Article Lookup' at <http://al.howardknight.net>! Just kidding!
>
> [1] In my newsreader it's 'u', for go 'up' in the thread.
>
> [2] read: the last two decades or more.

I can also change my setting to show all messages instead of unread
messages, and then search through all the messages in the thread. But I
won't do that; it's a pain in the ass. If he doesn't want to make what
he says clear, so be it. I won't go to any extra trouble to understand
the messages of one person. If he continues to do that, I'll soon
killfile him.

--
Ken

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 10:41 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> >> On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
> >> > That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
> >>
> >> What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.
> >
> > What the OP wrote in the OP.
> >
> > It used to be that a newsreader could easily show the parent of an
> > article [1], but nowadays [2], newsreader authors seem to have
> > 'forgotten' such basic functionality.
> >
> > But don't you worry, you can always use View -> Message Source and
> > then paste the last MID in the 'References:' header into the box of the
> > 'Usenet Article Lookup' at <http://al.howardknight.net>! Just kidding!
> >
> > [1] In my newsreader it's 'u', for go 'up' in the thread.
> >
> > [2] read: the last two decades or more.
>
>
>
> I can also change my setting to show all messages instead of unread
> messages, and then search through all the messages in the thread. But I
> won't do that; it's a pain in the ass. If he doesn't want to make what
> he says clear, so be it. I won't go to any extra trouble to understand
> the messages of one person. If he continues to do that, I'll soon
> killfile him.

Yeah, he's a 'perculiar' poster, to put it mildly. OTOH, if we
killfile all 'perculiar' posters, we'll be only talking to ourselves in
no time! :-)

There is no need to quote. The answer to this moron's question
is the subject line.

Kill files are for not-quite-grown-up morons.
Any trouble understanding that, moron?

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> On 7/9/2021 4:32 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
>
>
> What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.
>
>
> --
> Ken
>

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Ken Blake wrote:
>> John Doe wrote:

>>> That's something Steve Ballmer pushed for.
>>
>> What is? If you don't quote, your message are usually meaningless.
>
> What the OP wrote in the OP.

It's the subject line.

"Windows 11 running Android apps is something Steve Ballmer pushed for."

It's a trivia comment that doesn't require study.