Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
here in the last year anyway.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:

>Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
>spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
>silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
>here in the last year anyway.

Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:01:33 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
scribeva:
>Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
>scribeva:
>>Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
>>spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
>>silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
>>here in the last year anyway.
>
>Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.

I see Google Groups still does NOT have this under control.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

> Wonder if anything still comes through here?

Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
flood will subside eventually...

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
> scribeva:
>
>> Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
>> spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
>> silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
>> here in the last year anyway.
>
> Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.
>

Yes indeed.
Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
Now all we need is something to talk about.

In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>
>> Wonder if anything still comes through here?
>
>Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
>flood will subside eventually...

Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.

In trn it's /google-groups.googlegroups.com/HInjection-Info:j
Add it to the killfile for the specific newsgroup and it will clean up the
new arrivals.

Pierre

--
Pierre Jelenc
The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
> spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
> silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
> here in the last year anyway.
>

Using E-S. The spam flood on this server is not that
bad if you compare with what Mixmin is seeing - over
a thousand at a time it seems ;)

Yes, mixmin no longer allows posting but I find it
semi useful for noting missing posts.

Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:35:29 +1300: Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
scribeva:

>On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
>> scribeva:
>>
>>> Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
>>> spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
>>> silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
>>> here in the last year anyway.
>>
>> Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.
>>
>
>Yes indeed.
>Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
>I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
>Now all we need is something to talk about.

What about language?
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

On 2023-11-12, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

> Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.

Hey, I'm here, too!

> I fear PTD has given up,

He posts from Google Groups, so he'll be hit by spam filters.

> and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.

I won't miss his glossolaliac musings.

> Now all we need is something to talk about.

This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go:
Yesterday I found myself writing

"I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"

and then I started wondering about the tag question:
- "can I?"
- "am I?"
- "right?" [avoid the verb]

Because the rule from EFL class--always repeat the auxiliary or use
a form of "do" if there is none--is definitely not the whole truth.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 5:30:10 AM UTC-5, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> On 2023-11-12, Ross Clark <benl...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
> Hey, I'm here, too!
> > I fear PTD has given up,
> He posts from Google Groups, so he'll be hit by spam filters.
> > and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
> I won't miss his glossolaliac musings.
> > Now all we need is something to talk about.
> This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go:
> Yesterday I found myself writing
>
> "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"
>
> and then I started wondering about the tag question:
> - "can I?"
> - "am I?"
> - "right?" [avoid the verb]

My fave, typical of Malaysian English (Manglish)
- "izzit"? Such a versatile word, same effect as "innit".

> Because the rule from EFL class--always repeat the auxiliary or use
> a form of "do" if there is none--is definitely not the whole truth.
> --
> Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:37:56 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:
>This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go:
>Yesterday I found myself writing
>
> "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"
>
>and then I started wondering about the tag question:
>- "can I?"
>- "am I?"
>- "right?" [avoid the verb]

My non-native language sense says "can I?" is all right.
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> On 13/11/2023 5:01 a.m., Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sun, 12 Nov 2023 17:00:45 +0100: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
>> scribeva:
>>
>>> Wonder if anything still comes through here? After a crazy wave of
>>> spam that even my provider could not filter out, it's now totally
>>> silent. Well, but apart from the spam, very little has been going on
>>> here in the last year anyway.
>>
>> Oh yes, it works. Applause for the spam filter makers then.
>>
>
> Yes indeed.
> Well, there's you, me, Tim Lang, maybe Antonio.
> I fear PTD has given up, and Daud's moved himself elsewhere.
> Now all we need is something to talk about.

If the spam doesn’t subside, then it’s over. I’m not optimistic on that.
For the last few days I’ve been waiting to the ES folks to weed it out.
It’s otherwise impossible to find the legitimate content.

Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
> Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder if anything still comes through here?
>>
>> Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
>> flood will subside eventually...
>
> Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.

But again, is the spam coming from there? Being relayed? What, exactly?
My understanding was it comes from other places.

> In trn it's /google-groups.googlegroups.com/HInjection-Info:j
> Add it to the killfile for the specific newsgroup and it will clean up the
> new arrivals.
>
> Pierre
>

In article <uit88i$lojk$2@dont-email.me>,
Antonio Marques <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Pierre Jelenc <rcpj@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <slrnul1v36.dfa.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
>> Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-12, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wonder if anything still comes through here?
>>>
>>> Yes, it does. It's just hard to see among the spam. I assume the
>>> flood will subside eventually...
>>
>> Just kill all the posts coming from googlegroups.com.
>
>But again, is the spam coming from there? Being relayed? What, exactly?
>My understanding was it comes from other places.

It's injected at Google, and Google automatically adds the header

Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com

before sending it further. As far as I can tell, if the post arrives from
somewhere else, they do not add this header since the post did not
originate at Google but was received from a peer Usenet server.

Pierre
--
Pierre Jelenc
The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

Ar an triú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:

> Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:37:56 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
> <naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:
> >This is probably not a good group for English usage, but here we go:
> >Yesterday I found myself writing
> >
> > "I can't be the first one to run into this [problem], can I?"
> >
> >and then I started wondering about the tag question:
> >- "can I?"
> >- "am I?"
> >- "right?" [avoid the verb]
>
> My non-native language sense says "can I?" is all right.

My native language sense agrees. A tag “am I?” would get an asterisk, but
“right?” would be fine.

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
scribeva:

>‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
>How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
>(C. Moore)

Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/
--
Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com

Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:

> fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
> scribeva:
>
> >‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
> >How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
> >(C. Moore)
>
> Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/

I am currently working as a GP on the west coast of Ireland (a change since I
was last posting here about fifteen years ago, working in IT in Germany) and
many of my patients have an alternation between /hw/ and [f] (in English),
reminiscent of that change. I don’t assert that this is preserved from
protogermanic!

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
> Ar an ceathrú lá déag de mí na Samhain, scríobh Ruud Harmsen:
> > fTue, 14 Nov 2023 10:48:50 +0000: Aidan Kehoe <keh...@parhasard.net>
> > scribeva:
> >
> > >‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
> > >How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
> > >(C. Moore)
> >
> > Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/
> I am currently working as a GP on the west coast of Ireland (a change since I
> was last posting here about fifteen years ago, working in IT in Germany) and
> many of my patients have an alternation between /hw/ and [f] (in English),
> reminiscent of that change. I don’t assert that this is preserved from
> protogermanic!
>
> --
> ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
> How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
> (C. Moore)

I don't know why it wouldn't be.
Coracle (Wel)/curragh (Ire) ~ cwrg.wl ~ kufarigolu ~ kudhru (Tibet)/parical (Karnataka)

On 2023-11-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:

> Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/

Germanic has alliterated "four" to "five", but Latin and thus the
Romance languages have alliterated "quinque" (five) to "quattuor"
(four)! Or maybe it is a rare but regular soundchange in Latin,
opinions differ. Anyway, the roots for 4 and 5 have different
onsets in PIE, compare for instance Greek or Slavic. But wait,
Slavic has alliterated the d- from the "ten" word to the "nine"
word...

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

Op 14/11/2023 om 18:47 schreef Christian Weisgerber:
> On 2023-11-14, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> wrote:
>
>> Fourteen? Hwedwortehun! https://rudhar.com/musica/hwedwortehun/
>
> Germanic has alliterated "four" to "five", but Latin and thus the
> Romance languages have alliterated "quinque" (five) to "quattuor"
> (four)! Or maybe it is a rare but regular soundchange in Latin,
> opinions differ. Anyway, the roots for 4 and 5 have different
> onsets in PIE, compare for instance Greek or Slavic. But wait,
> Slavic has alliterated the d- from the "ten" word to the "nine"
> word...

Perhaps a frequent activity like counting could have triggered rhyme and
alliteration, at all places and times?

--
guido wugi