On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Pandora wrote:

> these papers suggest that early hominoids
> emerged in a dryer and more irregular environment than was previously
> believed.

IOW, these papers suggest that human evolution began with the onset of a climate characterized by a severe and deadly dry season.

C4 grasses are a clear indication of the climate having a deadly annual dry season.

This is exactly what my hypothesis predicts:
https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0

> The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> hominins.

They (traditional PA) missed the significance of seasonal deadly annual dry season. This oversight, I suspect, is the result of the fact that PA has been so myopically focused on trying to envision tools in the hands of the earliest hominids to explain the emergence of human intellect (which itself is based on the concept that tool use underlies the emergence of a kind of evolutionary positive feedback effect which is, to say the least, a highly speculative notion at best and likely erroneous.)

Without the deadly dry season and associated predatory massacres at hominid community sites (at localities that were well watered garden habitat) during the depth of the dry season there is no evolutionary expectation that humans/hominids would emerge.. More specifically, without these factors there is no communal selection. Without communal selection there is no evolutionary mechanism for the communal adaptations that so thoroughly distinguish humans from the other species.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:50:27 PM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Pandora wrote:
>
> > these papers suggest that early hominoids
> > emerged in a dryer and more irregular environment than was previously
> > believed.
>
> IOW, these papers suggest that human evolution began with the onset of a climate characterized by a severe and deadly dry season.
>
> C4 grasses are a clear indication of the climate having a deadly annual dry season.
>
> This is exactly what my hypothesis predicts:
> https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0
>
> > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > hominins.
>
> They (traditional PA) missed the significance of seasonal deadly annual dry season. This oversight, I suspect, is the result of the fact that PA has been so myopically focused on trying to envision tools in the hands of the earliest hominids to explain the emergence of human intellect (which itself is based on the concept that tool use underlies the emergence of a kind of evolutionary positive feedback effect which is, to say the least, a highly speculative notion at best and likely erroneous.)
>
> Without the deadly dry season and associated predatory massacres at hominid community sites (at localities that were well watered garden habitat) during the depth of the dry season there is no evolutionary expectation that humans/hominids would emerge.. More specifically, without these factors there is no communal selection. Without communal selection there is no evolutionary mechanism for the communal adaptations that so thoroughly distinguish humans from the other species.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:50:27 PM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Pandora wrote:
>
> > these papers suggest that early hominoids
> > emerged in a dryer and more irregular environment than was previously
> > believed.
>
> IOW, these papers suggest that human evolution began with the onset of a climate characterized by a severe and deadly dry season.
>
> C4 grasses are a clear indication of the climate having a deadly annual dry season.
>
> This is exactly what my hypothesis predicts:
> https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0
>
> > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > hominins.
>
> They (traditional PA) missed the significance of seasonal deadly annual dry season. This oversight, I suspect, is the result of the fact that PA has been so myopically focused on trying to envision tools in the hands of the earliest hominids to explain the emergence of human intellect (which itself is based on the concept that tool use underlies the emergence of a kind of evolutionary positive feedback effect which is, to say the least, a highly speculative notion at best and likely erroneous.)
>
> Without the deadly dry season and associated predatory massacres at hominid community sites (at localities that were well watered garden habitat) during the depth of the dry season there is no evolutionary expectation that humans/hominids would emerge.. More specifically, without these factors there is no communal selection. Without communal selection there is no evolutionary mechanism for the communal adaptations that so thoroughly distinguish humans from the other species.

troll:
> > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > hominins.

:-DDD

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:08:14 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> troll:
> > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > hominins.
> :-DDD

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:22:07 AM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:08:14 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail..com wrote:
> > troll:
> > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > hominins.
> > :-DDD

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 11:09:39 AM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:22:07 AM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:08:14 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > troll:
> > > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > > hominins.
> > > :-DDD

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:50:14 AM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 11:09:39 AM UTC-7, James McGinn wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:22:07 AM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:08:14 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > troll:
> > > > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > > > hominins.
> > > > :-DDD

some idiot:
> > > > > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > > > > hominins.

:-DDD

8 independent facts indicate that Pleistocene archaic Homo were shallow-divers:
• Archaic Homo's atypical tooth-wear was caused by "sand and oral processing of marine mollusks", Towle cs 2022 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24500
• H.erectus s.s. fossilized typically in coastal sediments, e.g. Mojokerto amid barnacles & corals, Trinil amid edible Pseudodon & Elongaria, Sangiran-17 in "brackish marsh near the coast".
• Stephen Munro discovered sea-shell engravings made by H.erectus, Joordens cs 2015 Nature 518:228–231 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25470048/
• Ear exostoses (H.erectus & H.neand.) develop after years of cold(er) water irrigation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696936/
• Pachyosteosclerosis is only seen in slow+shallow-diving tetrapods (de Buffrénil cs 2010 J.Mamm.Evol.17:101-120), e.g. erectus’ parietal bone is 2x as thick as in gorillas.
• Brain size in erectus (2x apes & australopiths) is facilitated by sea-food, e.g. DHA in shellfish etc., cf. Odontocetes, Pinnipedia.
• Pleistocene Homo colonized islands far oversea: Flores & later even Luzon https://www.academia.edu/36193382/Coastal_Dispersal_of_Pleistocene_Homo_2018
• Homo’s stone tool use & dexterity is typical for molluscivores, e.g. sea-otters etc.

IOW, only incredible idiots believe heir ancestors ran after antelopes... :-DDD

troll:
> > > > > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > > > > hominins.

:-DDD Did I already answer this nonsense?? I'm becoming old & forgetful.... :-(

Our DNA doesn't have Pliocene African retroviral elements (C.T.Yohn cs 2005 PLoS Biol.3:1-11):
australopiths were fossil relatives of Pan or Gorilla, of course, not of Homo (see my publ. e.g. in Human Evolution: 1990 Hum.Evol.5:295, 1992 Hum.Evol.7:63, 1994 Hum.Evol.9:121, 1996 Hum.Evol.11:35, 2013 Hum.Evol.28:237).

IOW, our Pliocene ancestors were NOT in Africa!
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:10:24 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> some idiot:
> > > > > > > > > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > > > > > > > > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > > > > > > > > hominins.
>
> :-DDD
> 8 independent facts indicate that Pleistocene archaic Homo were shallow-divers:
> • Archaic Homo's atypical tooth-wear was caused by "sand and oral processing of marine mollusks", Towle cs 2022 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24500
> • H.erectus s.s. fossilized typically in coastal sediments, e.g. Mojokerto amid barnacles & corals, Trinil amid edible Pseudodon & Elongaria, Sangiran-17 in "brackish marsh near the coast".
> • Stephen Munro discovered sea-shell engravings made by H.erectus, Joordens cs 2015 Nature 518:228–231 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25470048/
> • Ear exostoses (H.erectus & H.neand.) develop after years of cold(er) water irrigation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5696936/
> • Pachyosteosclerosis is only seen in slow+shallow-diving tetrapods (de Buffrénil cs 2010 J.Mamm.Evol.17:101-120), e.g. erectus’ parietal bone is 2x as thick as in gorillas.
> • Brain size in erectus (2x apes & australopiths) is facilitated by sea-food, e.g. DHA in shellfish etc., cf. Odontocetes, Pinnipedia.
> • Pleistocene Homo colonized islands far oversea: Flores & later even Luzon https://www.academia.edu/36193382/Coastal_Dispersal_of_Pleistocene_Homo_2018
> • Homo’s stone tool use & dexterity is typical for molluscivores, e.g. sea-otters etc.
>
> IOW, only incredible idiots believe heir ancestors ran after antelopes... :-DDD

Even bigger idiots thought they swam alongside crocodile and hippo.

On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 1:50:27 PM UTC-7, Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 6:31:37 AM UTC-7, Pandora wrote:
>
> > these papers suggest that early hominoids
> > emerged in a dryer and more irregular environment than was previously
> > believed.
>
> IOW, these papers suggest that human evolution began with the onset of a climate characterized by a severe and deadly dry season.
>
> C4 grasses are a clear indication of the climate having a deadly annual dry season.
>
> This is exactly what my hypothesis predicts:
> https://youtu.be/Z7TwiVul7F0
>
> > The assembly of Africa’s iconic C4 grassland ecosystems is central to
> > evolutionary interpretations of many mammal lineages, including
> > hominins.
>
> They (traditional PA) missed the significance of seasonal deadly annual dry season. This oversight, I suspect, is the result of the fact that PA has been so myopically focused on trying to envision tools in the hands of the earliest hominids to explain the emergence of human intellect (which itself is based on the concept that tool use underlies the emergence of a kind of evolutionary positive feedback effect which is, to say the least, a highly speculative notion at best and likely erroneous.)
>
> Without the deadly dry season and associated predatory massacres at hominid community sites (at localities that were well watered garden habitat) during the depth of the dry season there is no evolutionary expectation that humans/hominids would emerge.. More specifically, without these factors there is no communal selection. Without communal selection there is no evolutionary mechanism for the communal adaptations that so thoroughly distinguish humans from the other species.

On 28.11.2023. 15:12, Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> :-DDD
> Why/how C4 grasses Anticipate the Emergence of Lunaticity in some Subdivisions of Humanity:
> these fools reason:
> QP = forest
> BP = savanna

The only problem is that this is true. BP was found in mosaic
environment, starting with Graecopithecus (I say, Ouranopithecus), where
Graecopithecus was the only surviving Miocene ape, and found exactly in
"impoverished" environment of Anatolia/Greece. And right at the time
when this type of environment emerged, BP also emerged. Even Danuvius
was found very close, in space and time, when mosaic environment
emerged. Danuvius is 11.6 Ma, found in Bavaria, and we had mosaic
environment 11.5 Ma in Vienna basin.