Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> Beneath Still Waters -
> Multistage Aquatic Exploitation of Euryale ferox (Salisb.) during the Acheulian
> Naama Goren-Inbar ... Shanti Pappu 2014
> Internet Archaeology 37 doi 10.11141/ia.37.1

This has been raised before and I was ignored then -- because I am so
intimidatingly brilliant, no doubt -- but doesn't this suggest an Aquatic
Ape origins of agriculture?

Let's back up a tad...

Agriculture stems from proto agriculture.

People ate plants, yes, but eventually they stored plants. They collected
plants not as foods, not right away, but to store, to preserve for later use.
And it was this important breakthrough that made PLANTING crops a
thing.

There was no point in growing a field of grain until sometimes AFTER you
figured out that you can store grain to feed yourselves and/or your
animals through the lean months...

Göbekli Tepe

Google it. There's a lot of speculation but the correct answer is proto
agriculture. The area was rich in wild grains. There were *Lots!*

Actually, there would have been no problem feeding a tribe or clan for
a year, off the grains, if they would be harvested and stored...

AND this behavior is known from later cultures.

AND you are telling us that the very first glimpse at this behavior, this
proto agricultural lifestyle, is associated with the waterside population.

Thus, the waterside group(s) developed proto agriculture, not just
exploiting marine plant life but drying it, storing it for future use!

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Op zondag 7 januari 2024 om 19:59:29 UTC+1 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

> > Beneath Still Waters -
> > Multistage Aquatic Exploitation of Euryale ferox (Salisb.) during the Acheulian
> > Naama Goren-Inbar ... Shanti Pappu 2014
> > Internet Archaeology 37 doi 10.11141/ia.37.1

Human most important food is rice = water grain:
"In general, between 3000 & 5000 L of water are needed to produce 1 kg of rice."
Human evolution = savanna??? :-DDD
Running after antelopes????? :-DDDDD

> This has been raised before and I was ignored then -- because I am so
> intimidatingly brilliant, no doubt -- but doesn't this suggest an Aquatic
> Ape origins of agriculture?
> Let's back up a tad...
> Agriculture stems from proto agriculture.
> People ate plants, yes, but eventually they stored plants. They collected
> plants not as foods, not right away, but to store, to preserve for later use.
> And it was this important breakthrough that made PLANTING crops a
> thing.
> There was no point in growing a field of grain until sometimes AFTER you
> figured out that you can store grain to feed yourselves and/or your
> animals through the lean months...
> Göbekli Tepe
> Google it. There's a lot of speculation but the correct answer is proto
> agriculture. The area was rich in wild grains. There were *Lots!*
> Actually, there would have been no problem feeding a tribe or clan for
> a year, off the grains, if they would be harvested and stored...
> AND this behavior is known from later cultures.
> AND you are telling us that the very first glimpse at this behavior, this
> proto agricultural lifestyle, is associated with the waterside population..
> Thus, the waterside group(s) developed proto agriculture, not just
> exploiting marine plant life but drying it, storing it for future use!

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> Human most important food is rice = water grain:
> "In general, between 3000 & 5000 L of water are needed to produce 1 kg of rice."
> Human evolution = savanna??? :-DDD
> Running after antelopes????? :-DDDDD

Rice is very old, the farming of same, but it likely took over in
Asia around 3,600 years ago, after the eruption of Thera which
apparently dumped ridiculous amounts of rain on China -- enough
to down off any other crop.

People who grew rice did fine, people who grew something else
starved to death...

But the popularity of rice probably followed the monsoons.

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