Hello,

In one of Robin Porter's (AMS Neve engineer) tutorials on the BCM10/MK2 he
mentions a cut button. Not a low cut, but a cut button.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsGV9j7pSA

Would someone please help this notalentwannabee understand what it does?

Thanks,
Robert

On 8/17/22 08:11, INFOHOU wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In one of Robin Porter's (AMS Neve engineer) tutorials on the BCM10/MK2 he
> mentions a cut button. Not a low cut, but a cut button.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsGV9j7pSA
>
> Would someone please help this notalentwannabee understand what it does?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

Judging by its position and color, and proximity to the solo button,
I'd have to conclude he's talking about what we more commonly call a 'mute' button,
or one that effectively stops the signal from continuing through the channel strip.
Used in conjunction with the solo button, it can be used to isolate parts of
the mix to highlight problems.

On Aug 17, 2022 at 10:30:35 CDT, "Tobiah" <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>
> Judging by its position and color, and proximity to the solo button,
> I'd have to conclude he's talking about what we more commonly call a 'mute'
> button,
> or one that effectively stops the signal from continuing through the channel
> strip.
> Used in conjunction with the solo button, it can be used to isolate parts of
> the mix to highlight problems.

That's what I was guessing. Sometimes we have to translate the Queen's English
into whatever it is that most of speak on this side of the pond.

Thanks for your reply,
Robert

INFOHOU <infohou@notgonnatellya.com> wrote:
>On Aug 17, 2022 at 10:30:35 CDT, "Tobiah" <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>>
>> Judging by its position and color, and proximity to the solo button,
>> I'd have to conclude he's talking about what we more commonly call a 'mute'
>> button,
>> or one that effectively stops the signal from continuing through the channel
>> strip.
>> Used in conjunction with the solo button, it can be used to isolate parts of
>> the mix to highlight problems.
>
>That's what I was guessing. Sometimes we have to translate the Queen's English
>into whatever it is that most of speak on this side of the pond.

The desk has cut and solo buttons and valves.

The console has mute and PFL buttons and tubes.

The difference between faders and sliders is still unknown.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 17/08/2022 18:35, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> The difference between faders and sliders is still unknown.
> --scott
>
Proper faders as used many years ago had a resistor ladder, a series of
fixed contacts and a moving contact? They reduced the signal in a series
of fixed ratios. Sliders have a resistive strip and a contact on a knob
that slides along a guide strip?

In context though, he seems to be using "slider" to mean the bit that
controls the fader. It took me a while to work out that in this case,
what I initially heard as "door" is actually DAW, though.

The cut buttons I heard him mention and saw him demonstrate are used as
a hard cut (or mute)on the feed from that channel to each of the two cue
buses. There is also a cross fader if you just want to vary the relative
levels of the feeds rather than mute them completely.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Aug 17, 2022 at 12:35:05 CDT, "Scott Dorsey" <Scott Dorsey> wrote:

> INFOHOU <infohou@notgonnatellya.com> wrote:
>
> The desk has cut and solo buttons and valves.
>
> The console has mute and PFL buttons and tubes.
>
> The difference between faders and sliders is still unknown.
> --scott

LOL, nicely done:-)

On Aug 17, 2022 at 13:09:27 CDT, "John Williamson"
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 17/08/2022 18:35, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> The difference between faders and sliders is still unknown.
>> --scott
>>
> Proper faders as used many years ago had a resistor ladder, a series of
> fixed contacts and a moving contact? They reduced the signal in a series
> of fixed ratios. Sliders have a resistive strip and a contact on a knob
> that slides along a guide strip?
>
> In context though, he seems to be using "slider" to mean the bit that
> controls the fader. It took me a while to work out that in this case,
> what I initially heard as "door" is actually DAW, though.
>
> The cut buttons I heard him mention and saw him demonstrate are used as
> a hard cut (or mute)on the feed from that channel to each of the two cue
> buses. There is also a cross fader if you just want to vary the relative
> levels of the feeds rather than mute them completely.

I appreciate that.

Somewhat off topic, but I have always said Dee A doubleyou. Most folks these
days seem to say daw that rhymes with awe.

Thoughts?

Robert

On 18/08/2022 6:09 am, John Williamson wrote:
> On 17/08/2022 18:35, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> The difference between faders and sliders is still unknown.
>> --scott
>>
> Proper faders as used many years ago had a resistor ladder, a series of
> fixed contacts and a moving contact? They reduced the signal in a series
> of fixed ratios. Sliders have a resistive strip and a contact on a knob
> that slides along a guide strip?

Just like how the sun fades in a series of discrete steps, eh.

geoff

On 18/08/2022 4:16 am, INFOHOU wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2022 at 10:30:35 CDT, "Tobiah" <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>>
>> Judging by its position and color, and proximity to the solo button,
>> I'd have to conclude he's talking about what we more commonly call a 'mute'
>> button,
>> or one that effectively stops the signal from continuing through the channel
>> strip.
>> Used in conjunction with the solo button, it can be used to isolate parts of
>> the mix to highlight problems.
>
>
> That's what I was guessing. Sometimes we have to translate the Queen's English
> into whatever it is that most of speak on this side of the pond.
>
> Thanks for your reply,
> Robert

Good to hear him correctly pronouncing "route", pron. "root".

The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.

geoff

> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.

I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:32:31 -0700, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:

>
>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>
>I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>
>
>
Symptomatic of the degeneration of the American language. Most
Americans now could not identify, let alone use an adverb. Sayings
that once had meaning are rendered gibberish because nobody actually
understands meanings. That is how we get such nonsense as "I could
care less" and "hold down the fort". Words have become mere noises you
make with your mouth.

d

On 8/18/22 08:03, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:32:31 -0700, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>>
>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>>
>>
>>
> Symptomatic of the degeneration of the American language. Most
> Americans now could not identify, let alone use an adverb.

Not so. For instance, I know of 'pedantically' :)

On 18/08/2022 16:03, Don Pearce wrote:

> Symptomatic of the degeneration of the American language. Most
> Americans now could not identify, let alone use an adverb. Sayings
> that once had meaning are rendered gibberish because nobody actually
> understands meanings. That is how we get such nonsense as "I could
> care less"
To which, in my mind, I always add "But it's too much effort."

--
Tciao for Now!

John. (In the UK.)

"Tobiah" wrote in message news:tdlii0$6ge$1@gioia.aioe.org...

<snip>

I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take
the scenic rowt".
I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Maybe dying out in CA but not here in Southern New England/NYC area.
"Rowt" is what happens to our football teams.
;-)

Poly

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 08:25:01 -0700, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:

>On 8/18/22 08:03, Don Pearce wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:32:31 -0700, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>>>
>>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Symptomatic of the degeneration of the American language. Most
>> Americans now could not identify, let alone use an adverb.
>
>Not so. For instance, I know of 'pedantically' :)
>
:)

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
> > The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
> > the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
> > with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
_______

I'm from the States, yet I pronounce Route as 'root', and I pronounce
both Rs in the month of FeBREWary.

I also pronounce Chernobyl power plant's category as NEW-CLEAR,
despite my being from America!

On 19/08/2022 3:03 am, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:32:31 -0700, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>>
>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>>
>>
>>
> Symptomatic of the degeneration of the American language. Most
> Americans now could not identify, let alone use an adverb. Sayings
> that once had meaning are rendered gibberish because nobody actually
> understands meanings. That is how we get such nonsense as "I could
> care less" and "hold down the fort". Words have become mere noises you
> make with your mouth.
>
> d

My favourite is the likes of " Stop this already !" - which would
require an anomaly in the time-space continuum.

geoff

On 19/08/2022 2:32 am, Tobiah wrote:
>
>> The common US mispronunciation of route  (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>
> I think 'root' is dying out in the US.  For me, it's always 'rowt'.
> "Take the scenic rowt".
> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California.  The thing
> that
> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'.  People would
> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'.  Rooter is
> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>
>
>
>

Router normally mispronounced everywhere now.

And a rooter is somebody actively enthusiastic in partaking in sexual
intercourse.

Oh yeah, and the the tool and action for the milling thing is spelt
router/rout.

And now 'tool'. Pronunciation universal, but several alternate meanings
including as a verb in using a tool or equipment to machine a piece of
material, and as a noun for a dickhead (person), or a penis. Not sure
how those meanings travel ...

geoff

On 19/08/2022 8:59 am, Chris K-Man wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
>>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
> _______
>
> I'm from the States, yet I pronounce Route as 'root', and I pronounce
> both Rs in the month of FeBREWary.
>
> I also pronounce Chernobyl power plant's category as NEW-CLEAR,
> despite my being from America!

Good to see you having a good grasp on this.

Remember Dubya's "new-killer' ;- )

geoff

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 5:45:01 PM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
> On 19/08/2022 8:59 am, Chris K-Man wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
> >>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
> >>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
> >>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
> >> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
> >> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
> >> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
> >> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
> >> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
> > _______
> >
> > I'm from the States, yet I pronounce Route as 'root', and I pronounce
> > both Rs in the month of FeBREWary.
> >
> > I also pronounce Chernobyl power plant's category as NEW-CLEAR,
> > despite my being from America!
> Good to see you having a good grasp on this.
>
> Remember Dubya's "new-killer' ;- )
>
> geoff
_____

Regrettably, "new-killer" is the defacto Yankee pronounciation
of the thing.. And our esteemed Merriam-Webster Dick-shunairy
actually allows for both pronunciations!

After all Geoff: the U.S. itself was founded on the premise of doing
things "our way, fuck the rest of the world"...!

On 19/08/2022 9:42 am, geoff wrote:
> On 19/08/2022 2:32 am, Tobiah wrote:
>>
>>> The common US mispronunciation of route  (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>>
>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US.  For me, it's always 'rowt'.
>> "Take the scenic rowt".
>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California.  The
>> thing that
>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'.  People would
>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'.  Rooter is
>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Router normally mispronounced everywhere now.
>
> And a rooter is somebody actively enthusiastic in partaking in sexual
> intercourse.
>
> Oh yeah, and the the tool and action for the milling thing is spelt
> router/rout.
>
> And now 'tool'. Pronunciation universal, but several alternate meanings
> including as a verb in using a tool or equipment to machine a piece of
> material, and as a noun for a dickhead (person), or a penis. Not sure
> how those meanings travel ...
>
> geoff
>

And more on-topic, WTF is a 'recerd' ?

geoff

On 18/08/2022 23:06, Chris K-Man wrote:

> Regrettably, "new-killer" is the defacto Yankee pronounciation
> of the thing.. And our esteemed Merriam-Webster Dick-shunairy
> actually allows for both pronunciations!
>
> After all Geoff: the U.S. itself was founded on the premise of doing
> things "our way, fuck the rest of the world"...!
>
Over here, it seem so be noo-cue-la.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 4:09:04 AM UTC-4, John Williamson wrote:
> On 18/08/2022 23:06, Chris K-Man wrote:
>
> > Regrettably, "new-killer" is the defacto Yankee pronounciation
> > of the thing.. And our esteemed Merriam-Webster Dick-shunairy
> > actually allows for both pronunciations!
> >
> > After all Geoff: the U.S. itself was founded on the premise of doing
> > things "our way, fuck the rest of the world"...!
> >
> Over here, it seem so be noo-cue-la.
> --
> Tciao for Now!
>
> John.
____________
So is it just easier for humans - and not just those in NorthAm - to pronounce it that way?

I, for one, would rather be correct than easy

geoff schrieb:

[...]
> Router normally mispronounced everywhere now.

May I - as a non-native speaker - ask the following question:

How ist the name of the famous US highway 66 nowadays pronounced in
the US: "rowt" or "root" (like in the song by Bobby Troup)?

Bye,

Reinhard

On 8/18/22 13:59, Chris K-Man wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 10:32:40 AM UTC-4, Tobiah wrote:
>>> The common US mispronunciation of route (mis)pron. "rowt" is to mill
>>> the edge of a piece of wood (or other material) to a particular shape
>>> with a rotary tool and whatever-shaped bit.
>> I think 'root' is dying out in the US. For me, it's always 'rowt'. "Take the scenic rowt".
>> I would never say 'root', and I never hear it in California. The thing that
>> directs network traffic, a router, is pronounced 'rowter'. People would
>> scarcely know what you were referring to if you said 'rooter'. Rooter is
>> the thing the guy puts down a clogged drain.
> _______
>
> I'm from the States, yet I pronounce Route as 'root', and I pronounce
> both Rs in the month of FeBREWary.
>
> I also pronounce Chernobyl power plant's category as NEW-CLEAR,
> despite my being from America!

As I mentioned, language follows practice. Dictionary.com gives
noo-kyuh-ler as one of the possible pronunciations. One that always
catches my ear is 'jewelry' when pronounced 'jewlery'. Again,
dictionary.com lists that as acceptable. I'm sure I hear that
'incorrect' pronunciation far more often. It's like saying
"Just between you and I" or misuse of "that begs the question".
Eventually the pedants have to yield to common practice.