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Hi all,

Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE

Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.

FYI

Thousands of young Australian men served in Vietnam, many of them teenage conscripts. The Aussie Govt held a lottery each year to pick out birth dates of * unfortunate ones *. At age 19, I missed being in that draft by exacctly one day.

However, I had a cousin a few year older than me who volunteered in the mid 60s. He came back one year later, different person, hardly spoke.

....... Phil

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 by: Roy W. Rising - Mon, 29 Aug 2022 16:13 UTC

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:07:29 AM UTC-7, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>
> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>
> FYI
>
> Thousands of young Australian men served in Vietnam, many of them teenage conscripts. The Aussie Govt held a lottery each year to pick out birth dates of * unfortunate ones *. At age 19, I missed being in that draft by exacctly one day.
>
> However, I had a cousin a few year older than me who volunteered in the mid 60s. He came back one year later, different person, hardly spoke.
>
>
> ...... Phil

I remember '69 very well. One of the shows I was mixing was The Music Scene.. It was the year of Woodstock, most of the acts from that phenomenon performed live on the show. I has the honor of mixing Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's "Down By the River". They didn't like my mix, I made their suggested changes and did a second take. It was not usable, I have 1/4" tapes of both somewhere. Later I learned they'd not yet heard the studio mix, mine was similar. The broadcast performance is available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NjZrPX-l0

"If you notice the sound, its wrong." ~ Roy W. Rising

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On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 8:07:29 AM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>
> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>
> FYI
>
> Thousands of young Australian men served in Vietnam, many of them teenage conscripts. The Aussie Govt held a lottery each year to pick out birth dates of * unfortunate ones *. At age 19, I missed being in that draft by exacctly one day.
>
> However, I had a cousin a few year older than me who volunteered in the mid 60s. He came back one year later, different person, hardly spoke.
>
>
> ...... Phil
_____

A young couple back then who were near and dear
to me.... He: a postman, she, a nurse. Both: Stripped of
their self esteem by life circumstances too deep and dreadful
to mention here. Smoking and drinking away their off days in
a bar in nearby Port Chester, it's a miracle they made it back
up the turnpike to CT alive, along with, unknowingly... ME.

You see, they didn't know, until late summer of 1969, that they
were harboring the child the doctor told my mother she
could never have!

In early 1970 I arrived, exposed already to enough nicotine
and suds to kill a fucking moose. The better parts of my social,
cognitive, and money-making capacities washed down how many
drains, toilets, or wherever.

Yes, I remember 1969, North Main Street, Port Chester. And I'm
coming back for you!

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"palli...@gmail.com" wrote in message
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Hi all,

Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE

Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Excellent indeed!
Nice to see John playing a Rick.....nice twang.

Poly

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polymod wrote:
===============
>
> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>
> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Excellent indeed!
> Nice to see John playing a Rick.....nice twang.
>

** Keeps on reminding me of John Lennon.

....... Phil

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palli...@gmail.com <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
>Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>
>Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.

No monitors, EV dynamic on vocals with a chamber reverb. Seems odd.
--scott

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 by: Neil - Thu, 6 Oct 2022 16:50 UTC

> palli...@gmail.com <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
>> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>>
>> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>
> No monitors, EV dynamic on vocals with a chamber reverb. Seems odd.
> --scott
>
No monitors and EV dynamics are not so odd for that time period. I'm not
sure what you mean by a "chamber reverb"...it sounds like a typical
pedal reverb of that era to me.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: Don Pearce - Fri, 7 Oct 2022 20:52 UTC

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:50:07 -0400, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
wrote:

>> palli...@gmail.com <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
>>> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>>>
>>> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>>
>> No monitors, EV dynamic on vocals with a chamber reverb. Seems odd.
>> --scott
>>
>No monitors and EV dynamics are not so odd for that time period. I'm not
>sure what you mean by a "chamber reverb"...it sounds like a typical
>pedal reverb of that era to me.

Chamber reverb was an alternative to plate reverb. Basically it was an
asymmetrically shaped room, tiled on its surfaces, and containing a
couple of speakers and microphones.

d

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 by: Neil - Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:25 UTC

On 10/7/2022 4:52 PM, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:50:07 -0400, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> palli...@gmail.com <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
>>>> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>>>>
>>>> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>>>
>>> No monitors, EV dynamic on vocals with a chamber reverb. Seems odd.
>>> --scott
>>>
>> No monitors and EV dynamics are not so odd for that time period. I'm not
>> sure what you mean by a "chamber reverb"...it sounds like a typical
>> pedal reverb of that era to me.
>
> Chamber reverb was an alternative to plate reverb. Basically it was an
> asymmetrically shaped room, tiled on its surfaces, and containing a
> couple of speakers and microphones.
>
> d
Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.

However:
1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
typically don't).
2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb was on the output of
an EV cardioid dynamic mic because the instruments would have been too
off-axis to be picked up at the input level for close-up voice.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: palli...@gmail.com - Sat, 8 Oct 2022 22:54 UTC

Neil wrote:
===========

> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>
> However:
> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
> typically don't).
> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb

** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
The time warp?

Might be an EMT plate reverb .

.......... Phil

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 by: geoff - Sun, 9 Oct 2022 22:55 UTC

On 8/10/2022 9:52 am, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:50:07 -0400, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> palli...@gmail.com <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Creedence Clearwater Revival during the Vietnam era.
>>>> Live on the Ed Sullivan show, of all places.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RUGJAWIslE
>>>>
>>>> Raw and rough, so doubtless a live ( excellent) version.
>>>
>>> No monitors, EV dynamic on vocals with a chamber reverb. Seems odd.
>>> --scott
>>>
>> No monitors and EV dynamics are not so odd for that time period. I'm not
>> sure what you mean by a "chamber reverb"...it sounds like a typical
>> pedal reverb of that era to me.
>
> Chamber reverb was an alternative to plate reverb. Basically it was an
> asymmetrically shaped room, tiled on its surfaces, and containing a
> couple of speakers and microphones.
>
> d

A bit like Abbey Road's famous chamber then ?

geoff

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 by: Neil - Mon, 10 Oct 2022 17:06 UTC

On 10/8/2022 6:54 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Neil wrote:
> ===========
>
>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>>
>> However:
>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>> typically don't).
>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
>
>
> ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
> The time warp?
>
It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: palli...@gmail.com - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 02:35 UTC

Neil wrote:
===========
> >
> >> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
> >>
> >> However:
> >> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
> >> typically don't).
> >> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
> >> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
> >> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
> >> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
> >
> >
> > ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
> > The time warp?
> >
> It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.

** You for real ??

Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?

..... Phil

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 by: Neil - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:52 UTC

On 10/10/2022 10:35 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Neil wrote:
> ===========
>>>
>>>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>>>>
>>>> However:
>>>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>>>> typically don't).
>>>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
>>>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>>>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
>>>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
>>> The time warp?
>>>
>> It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.
>
> ** You for real ??
>
> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
>
>
>
> .... Phil

Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
have lying around never existed.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: palli...@gmail.com - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:34 UTC

Neil wrote:
===========
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
> >>>>
> >>>> However:
> >>>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
> >>>> typically don't).
> >>>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
> >>>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
> >>>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
> >>>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
> >>> The time warp?
> >>>
> >> It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.
> >
> > ** You for real ??
> >
> > Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
> >
> >
> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
> have lying around never existed.

** ROTFL !!!!!!

FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.

In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJLuNaPVJLs

...... Phil

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> ===========
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However:
>>>>>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>>>>>> typically don't).
>>>>>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
>>>>>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>>>>>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
>>>>>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
>>>>> The time warp?
>>>>>
>>>> It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.
>>>
>>> ** You for real ??
>>>
>>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
>>>
>>>
>> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
>> have lying around never existed.
>
>
> ** ROTFL !!!!!!
>
> FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
> Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
>
> In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJLuNaPVJLs
>
>
> ..... Phil

Here's one 'with' a pedal.
https://reverb.com/item/9042715-1960-s-vintage-premier-reverberation-tube-spring-reverb-unit-with-foot-switch-pedal

And another.
https://reverb.com/item/721787-schaller-reverb-unit-60s-spring-reverb

geoff

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In article <ths8a5$7dgh$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>
>However:
>1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>typically don't).
>2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;

These things are both true and THAT is what is interesting.

>3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>instruments, and there is none that I could hear.

Depends on how much leakage there is into the vocal track. Clearly there
isn't that much, which is also interesting for exactly the same reason.

>4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb was on the output of
>an EV cardioid dynamic mic because the instruments would have been too
>off-axis to be picked up at the input level for close-up voice.

Pedal reverb?
--scott

--
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 by: Neil - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:25 UTC

On 10/11/2022 9:34 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Neil wrote:
> ===========
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However:
>>>>>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>>>>>> typically don't).
>>>>>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
>>>>>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>>>>>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
>>>>>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Wot is a "pedal reverb" doing in 1969 ??
>>>>> The time warp?
>>>>>
>>>> It's doing what you hear in the Ed Sullivan video.
>>>
>>> ** You for real ??
>>>
>>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
>>>
>>>
>> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
>> have lying around never existed.
>
>
> ** ROTFL !!!!!!
>
> FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
> Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
>
> In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
>
Two thoughts for you, Phil.
1) Since all options were turned on and off with a pedal switch "reverb
pedal" was a generic reference.

2) Perhaps you should search on the term EchoPlex, available since 1959
and used by just about all of us and probably anybody you ever heard of.
Mine was a mid-60's unit.

Your off-topic attempts to avoid the subject YOU started just to be
"right" are pretty pathetic. Those of us who worked through that era in
TV stations, recording studios, etc. can recall it.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: Neil - Wed, 12 Oct 2022 16:33 UTC

On 10/12/2022 11:16 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <ths8a5$7dgh$1@dont-email.me>, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I do know about chamber reverb.
>>
>> However:
>> 1) I never saw any television studio had one in that time period (still
>> typically don't).
>> 2) The Ed Sullivan show would have been very unlikely to have one;
>
> These things are both true and THAT is what is interesting.
>
>> 3) If a chamber reverb was used, it would have some effect on the
>> instruments, and there is none that I could hear.
>
> Depends on how much leakage there is into the vocal track. Clearly there
> isn't that much, which is also interesting for exactly the same reason.
>
>> 4) That is what one would expect if a pedal reverb was on the output of
>> an EV cardioid dynamic mic because the instruments would have been too
>> off-axis to be picked up at the input level for close-up voice.
>
> Pedal reverb?
> --scott
>
"Pedal reverb" is a general term for the various kinds of reverb used
back then. All of them were switched on/off via a pedal. Perhaps the
most popular reverb was the EchoPlex, introduced in 1959 and used by all
of us by the mid '60s.

--
best regards,

Neil

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Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>"Pedal reverb" is a general term for the various kinds of reverb used
>back then. All of them were switched on/off via a pedal. Perhaps the
>most popular reverb was the EchoPlex, introduced in 1959 and used by all
>of us by the mid '60s.

Oh, you mean instrument reverbs? No... I don't think you'll find any of
those things would be very natural on vocals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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 by: palli...@gmail.com - Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:40 UTC

Neil wrote:
========
>>>
> >>> ** You for real ??
> >>>
> >>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
> >> have lying around never existed.
> >
> >
> > ** ROTFL !!!!!!
> >
> > FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
> > Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
> >
> > In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
> >
> Two thoughts for you, Phil.

** Shame you have none to give away.

> 1) Since all options were turned on and off with a pedal switch "reverb
> pedal" was a generic reference.

** Giant HUH ??
>
> 2) Perhaps you should search on the term EchoPlex,
** No way is one of them a "reverb" or a pedal.

A foot switch is not one either.

>
> Your off-topic attempts to avoid the subject YOU started just to be
> "right" are pretty pathetic.

** LOL - the pathetic avoider here is YOU, pal.

> Those of us who worked through that era in
> TV stations, recording studios, etc. can recall it.

** Drivel

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 by: Neil - Thu, 13 Oct 2022 21:17 UTC

On 10/12/2022 8:40 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Neil wrote:
> ========
>>>>
>>>>> ** You for real ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
>>>> have lying around never existed.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** ROTFL !!!!!!
>>>
>>> FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
>>> Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
>>>
>>> In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
>>>
>> Two thoughts for you, Phil.
>
> ** Shame you have none to give away.
>
>
>> 1) Since all options were turned on and off with a pedal switch "reverb
>> pedal" was a generic reference.
>
> ** Giant HUH ??
>
Your "Giant HUH" is merely a reflection of the fact that you were not a
working musician in that era. So you have NO IDEA how we referred to
things. And to continue you BS in order to be "right", you ignored the
examples that Geoff gave you as though I didn't know about them. There
is nothing your ignorance is contributing to the discussion, and you are
obviously WRONG.

So, to be ON TOPIC, what did you HEAR in the video YOU REFERENCED?

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: palli...@gmail.com - Thu, 13 Oct 2022 22:38 UTC

Neil is a Troll wrote:
=================

> >>>>
> >>>>> ** You for real ??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
> >>>> have lying around never existed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ** ROTFL !!!!!!
> >>>
> >>> FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
> >>> Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
> >>>
> >>> In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
> >>>
> >> Two thoughts for you, Phil.
> >
> > ** Shame you have none to give away.
> >
> >
> >> 1) Since all options were turned on and off with a pedal switch "reverb
> >> pedal" was a generic reference.
> >
> > ** Giant HUH ??
> >
> Your "Giant HUH"

** Was because you posted complete bullshit.

> is merely a reflection of the fact that you were not a
> working musician in that era. So you have NO IDEA how we referred to
> things.
** There were '"wha (or wha wha )pedals" and "fuzz boxes", sometimes both in one unit.

Your claims are pure fiction.
You are both a nut case and a liar.
FOAD

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From: nei...@myplaceofwork.com (Neil)
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Subject: Re: Who remembers 1969 ??
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 by: Neil - Fri, 14 Oct 2022 15:53 UTC

On 10/13/2022 6:38 PM, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> Neil is a Troll wrote:
> =================
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** You for real ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wot 'pedal reverbs' were around in 1969 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do your own f****g homework and stop suggesting that the ones I
>>>>>> have lying around never existed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** ROTFL !!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI pal : the first reverb pedal was released by Boss in 1987.
>>>>> Rack mount units like the Yamaha R1000 arrived around 1983/4.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1969, the choice was between chambers, plates and *springs*.
>>>>>
>>>> Two thoughts for you, Phil.
>>>
>>> ** Shame you have none to give away.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1) Since all options were turned on and off with a pedal switch "reverb
>>>> pedal" was a generic reference.
>>>
>>> ** Giant HUH ??
>>>
>> Your "Giant HUH"
>
> ** Was because you posted complete bullshit.
>
>> is merely a reflection of the fact that you were not a
>> working musician in that era. So you have NO IDEA how we referred to
>> things.
>
> ** There were '"wha (or wha wha )pedals" and "fuzz boxes", sometimes both in one unit.
>
> Your claims are pure fiction.
> You are both a nut case and a liar.
> FOAD

Your insistence on being ignorant is incredible, but I'll leave that for
you and your therapist to figure out.

--
best regards,

Neil

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 by: Neil - Fri, 14 Oct 2022 16:06 UTC

On 10/12/2022 6:25 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>> "Pedal reverb" is a general term for the various kinds of reverb used
>> back then. All of them were switched on/off via a pedal. Perhaps the
>> most popular reverb was the EchoPlex, introduced in 1959 and used by all
>> of us by the mid '60s.
>
> Oh, you mean instrument reverbs? No... I don't think you'll find any of
> those things would be very natural on vocals.
> --scott

I wasn't referring to instrument reverbs, as in those built into guitar
amps. The 1960s EchoPlex couldn't be more unlike any of the other kinds
of reverb mentioned since they were tube units based on analog tape
loops. It was, by far, the most popular reverb unit we professionals used.

As for being "natural on vocals", even echo chambers had artifacts that
changed what would otherwise be the natural sound of a performance. How
the live room and the chamber was mic'd, created different outcomes.

--
best regards,

Neil


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