https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/

Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.

"Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes, they'll
refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan for
political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will follow
the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
removal."

On 2021-08-19 11:59 a.m., NewsKrawler wrote:
> https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/
>
> Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.
>
> "Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
> firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes, they'll
> refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan for
> political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will follow
> the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
> removal."

Nothing says "liberation!" like having any access to the truth blocked
from you by Apple.

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On 8/19/2021 8:59 AM, NewsKrawler wrote:
> https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/
>
> Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.
>
> "Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
> firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes, they'll
> refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan for
> political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will follow
> the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
> removal."

All the VPN providers advise users to install their VPN apps prior to
traveling to China, since once you're there it's not possible to obtain
and install them.

Last time I was in China was in 2019. The hotel I was in didn't prevent
access to sites that are normally off limits in China to Chinese
citizens (Google, Facebook, etc.), but it was a higher-end hotel,
primarily for tourists, business people, and diplomats, and the
government knows that those guests would be upset at not having full
internet access. But I still used my VPN for privacy.

When I was in China about seven years earlier, staying in small local
hotels, that I was paying for myself, a VPN was necessary to access my
e-mail and Facebook. Also, if you use a data SIM card from Hong Kong,
there was no blockage of any sites (though now maybe that has changed, I
don't know).

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 3:05:09 PM, sms wrote:
> All the VPN providers advise users to install their VPN apps prior to
> traveling to China, since once you're there it's not possible to obtain
> and install them.

Given Apple has always done what China tells them to do, it's telling the
article said "Apple is building into the iPhone technical weaknesses which
are completely out of step from everything that Apple has previously been
saying."

*Apple's words are "out of step" with Apple's actions.*

Therefore it's good to know that the apps Apple removed from the China App
Store should be installed prior to entering China - but how do you know
China hasn't compromised their use when used inside of China where the
government controls everything?

The article says that what Apple is doing is lying by omission in that the
article claims Apple does whatever the Chinese government tells Apple to do.

As a result of this lying by omission two groups criticized the back doors.
Electronic Frontier Foundation
https://www.eff.org/
"*Mass surveillance is not an acceptable crime-fighting strategy*"

Center for Democracy & Technology
https://cdt.org/insights/what-could-go-wrong-apples-misguided-plans-to-gut-end-to-end-encryption/
"Apple's changes will create new risks for children, teens, and other
vulnerable people who depend on end-to-end encryption to communicate safely
online and will threaten the privacy and security of all users of Apple's
products."

> Last time I was in China was in 2019. The hotel I was in didn't prevent
> access to sites that are normally off limits in China to Chinese
> citizens (Google, Facebook, etc.), but it was a higher-end hotel,
> primarily for tourists, business people, and diplomats, and the
> government knows that those guests would be upset at not having full
> internet access. But I still used my VPN for privacy.

I was surprised the article said China made Apple remove the NYT app.
https://macdailynews.com/2017/01/04/apple-removes-new-york-times-apps-from-app-store-in-china-at-behest-of-chinese-government/

If Apple accedes to everything that China asks for, then the iPhone is
already hopelessly compromised as a mass surveillance tool for any
government that secretly asks Apple to surveil all its iPhone owners.

That's all their data (not just iCloud data).
That's all their iMessages (not just abusive parents).

On 2021-08-19 16:57:02 +0000, SilverSlimer said:
> On 2021-08-19 11:59 a.m., NewsKrawler wrote:
>> https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/
>>
>>
>> Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.
>>
>> "Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
>> firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes, they'll
>> refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan for
>> political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will follow
>> the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
>> removal."
>
> Nothing says "liberation!" like having any access to the truth blocked
> from you by Apple.

Another moronic braindead anti-Apple crossposting troll to add to the
kilfile. :-\

Like every other company, Apple has to abide by local laws. Blame the
Chinese government, not Apple.

On 2021-08-19 5:49 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2021-08-19 16:57:02 +0000, SilverSlimer said:
>> On 2021-08-19 11:59 a.m., NewsKrawler wrote:
>>> https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.
>>>
>>> "Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
>>> firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes,
>>> they'll
>>> refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan
>>> for
>>> political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will
>>> follow
>>> the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
>>> removal."
>>
>> Nothing says "liberation!" like having any access to the truth blocked
>> from you by Apple.
>
> Another moronic braindead anti-Apple crossposting troll to add to the
> kilfile.  :-\
>
> Like every other company, Apple has to abide by local laws. Blame the
> Chinese government, not Apple.

Oh no! A person I've never seen before has filtered me on his Usenet
client. I must resist the urge to shed a tear!

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Your Name wrote:
> Like every other company, Apple has to abide by local laws.

These Apple zealots don't realize that means whatever Apple "says" about
their intent to "refuse" a government request is completely meaningless.

*Apple will do whatever any government tells them to do in their country.*

And these governments _love_ the two new iPhone back doors Apple gave them.

SilverSlimer wrote:
> Oh no! A person I've never seen before has filtered me on his Usenet
> client. I must resist the urge to shed a tear!

That Your Name character says that to anyone who says anything about Apple
that Your Name doesn't like to hear about what Apple is doing in the news.

What is always the case is this Your Name can't add anything to the topic.

The facts remain that whatever Apple says is meaningless because Apple has
always done exactly what they are told to do by the governments when served
with a legal request (many of which are not public knowledge).

Gronk <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
>> Like every other company, Apple has to abide by local laws.
>
> These Apple zealots

And you're desperate for attention hence why you keep nymshifting. If you
had anything useful to say people wouldn't keep killfiling you. Think about
it.

PLONK

On 2021-08-20 3:15 a.m., Gronk wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
>> Like every other company, Apple has to abide by local laws.
>
> These Apple zealots don't realize that means whatever Apple "says" about
> their intent to "refuse" a government request is completely meaningless.
>
> *Apple will do whatever any government tells them to do in their country.*
>
> And these governments _love_ the two new iPhone back doors Apple gave them.

I should quickly mention that most celebrities are loyal to the Apple
iPhone and that they are routinely hacked, with their private photos
being uploaded the web soon thereafter.

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In article <CzNTI.2373$EG5.555@fx20.iad>, SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er>
wrote:

>
> I should quickly mention that most celebrities are loyal to the Apple
> iPhone and that they are routinely hacked, with their private photos
> being uploaded the web soon thereafter.

that was not a breach of apple or icloud, nor does it have anything to
do with apple.

they were phished and/or had easily guessed passwords.

the celebrities would have been hacked no matter what platform they
used because the problem was they didn't take security seriously.

many people foolishly use valid answers to the insecurity questions,
except that for celebrities, it's *very* easy to find that information.

for average ordinary people, it's slightly harder, but not impossible.

Troll...

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> https://macdailynews.com/2021/08/13/apples-ill-considered-iphone-backdoor-has-employees-speaking-out-internally/
>
> Apple removed VPN apps from the App Store at the request of China.
>
> "Apple, which, under Tim Cook, has attached itself to the China teat so
> firmly as to be hopelessly compromised, is lying by omission. Yes, they'll
> refuse a 'request,' but what will they do when it becomes law to scan for
> political, religious, sexual orientation, etc. materials? Apple will follow
> the local laws, as they have in every known case of app banning/service
> removal."
>
>

On 2021-08-20 1:14 p.m., John Doe wrote:
> Troll...

Nope.

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