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* Re: Why do 45's always sound distorted?k kazoosymbols
+- Re: Why do 45's always sound distorted?John Williamson
`- Re: Why do 45's always sound distorted?Liz Tuddenham

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 by: k kazoosymbols - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 20:32 UTC

On Sunday, July 3, 2011 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-5, Chris K-Man wrote:
> On Jun 23, 4:35 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > So, these 45s you have... are they actually vinyl, or are they the normal
> > styrene pressings?
> >
> > The styrene sounds okay when it's new and clean, but one or two plays with
> > a worn stylus and it's horrible.
> >
> > A fineline stylus can help a lot playing back worn styrene.
> >
> > Note that a lot of 45s were cut incredibly hot in order to make them loud
> > on jukeboxes. Sometimes there are playback linearity issues, sometimes
> > there were record linearity issues. A 50x microscope will tell you which.
> > --scott
> >
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> ____________________
> Anyone here own any "swingers"? . . .
> Those in the know - know what I mean.
> -CC
For a quick easy fix buy a mono stylus and cartridge for your phonograph to use when playing 45s - avoid using a stereo stylus cartridge when playing 45s.

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 by: John Williamson - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 21:57 UTC

On 06/01/2023 20:32, k kazoosymbols wrote:

> For a quick easy fix buy a mono stylus and cartridge for your phonograph to use when playing 45s - avoid using a stereo stylus cartridge when playing 45s.
>
That is one way to finally wreck them. Most of them after the late 1960s
were stereo and microgroove pressings, which a mono cartridge will make
unusable quite quickly.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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From: liz...@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham)
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 by: Liz Tuddenham - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 22:22 UTC

k kazoosymbols <kazoosymbols@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, July 3, 2011 at 12:39:02 PM UTC-5, Chris K-Man wrote:
> > On Jun 23, 4:35 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > > So, these 45s you have... are they actually vinyl, or are they the normal
> > > styrene pressings?
> > >
> > > The styrene sounds okay when it's new and clean, but one or two plays with
> > > a worn stylus and it's horrible.
> > >
> > > A fineline stylus can help a lot playing back worn styrene.
> > >
> > > Note that a lot of 45s were cut incredibly hot in order to make them loud
> > > on jukeboxes.

All the jukeboxes I have ever worked on had automatic volume control, so
a louder cut would sound the same as a quieter one (and an EP would
sound just as loud too).

>>> Sometimes there are playback linearity issues, sometimes
> > > there were record linearity issues. A 50x microscope will tell you which.

More likely to be physical overload of the cartridge or insufficient
headroom in the pre-amp.

> > > --scott
> > >
> > > --
> > > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> > ____________________
> > Anyone here own any "swingers"? . . .
> > Those in the know - know what I mean.

If you have a good transcription deck, just stack some sacrificial
records to get the disc above the centre pin, then you can centre the
grooves, regardless of the position of the centre hole. For refinement,
add some sort of optical indicator to the arm pivot, so the process
becomes less hit & miss.

> > -CC For a quick easy fix buy a mono stylus and cartridge for your
> phonograph to use when playing 45s - avoid using a stereo stylus cartridge
> when playing 45s.

By all means parallel the channels of a stereo cartridge to get mono,
but don't use a mono cartridge with little vertical compliance or you
will damage the record. Even mono records can be damaged this way
because of the vertical stylus movement resulting from the pinch effect.

Have you considered that most of the 45s on the market nowadays will
have been played many times previously - often with something quite
brutal - so they will all be worn to hell?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk


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