On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.

This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.

Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!

Mike

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> > Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
> Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
>
> This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
>
> Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
>
> Mike
Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

The folks at WeGlide.org appear to be open to scoring formula and data presentation suggestions. I just asked them to somehow identify declared fights. These are often more difficult that an ad-hoc choice once in the air.

5Z

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 11:56:26 AM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
> >
> > This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
> >
> > Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
> >
> > Mike
> Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

I usually look at the circling % to analyze how difficult a particular flight was.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:56:26 PM UTC-5, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:42:45 PM UTC-4, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:11:31 AM UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:07:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew Scutter wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:29:50 AM UTC+10, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > I would like to know how others evaluate an OLC flight and determine the difficulty factor involved? I will hold my opinion until this has been truly debated. Old Bob
> > > > You won't believe it Bob, but the OLC does it for you and allocates points accordingly!
> > > Matt, it must be a conspiracy! The question was how do you, not OLC, it flew right over your head.
> > Some years ago, OLC added bonus points for triangle flights after analyzing many cross-country flights - adding about 30% in points as I recall. Before that, points were based solely on distance and glider handicap.
> >
> > This is a pretty rough guesstimate of evaluation - distance plus triangle bonus - but there are plenty of other variables left out.
> >
> > Feel free to develop a new set of algorithms!
> >
> > Mike
> Mike, you are on the correct path. Old Bob

On 4/28/2021 4:29 PM, 5Z wrote:
> The folks at WeGlide.org appear to be open to scoring formula and data presentation suggestions. I just asked them to somehow identify declared fights. These are often more difficult that an ad-hoc choice once in the air.
>
> 5Z

- Good idea. If there is a declaration within the flight log file (as
is now required (in the USA) rather than on paper), it is possible for
the software to check whether the declared task was completed. SeeYou
does that. A fine point is that the rules for crossing the start and
finish lines and rounding the turnpoints may differ between countries.

Remaining questions include:
* how many more points to award for completion of a declared task
* or perhaps just display the fact that it was a declared task - seems
like what you asked for
* what to do with partially-completed tasks, do they deserve any extra
points (or recognition) relative to flights with no declaration
* what to do with additional distance flown beyond the declared task

I look at two things in the statistics to evaluate my overall efficiency:

1- Percent of the flight spent circling
2-Average L/D

To evaluate the "fun" factor, I look at two other things:

1-Distance achieved
2-Flight duration (to determine the amount of yard work I avoided)