Στις 8/1/2023 9:51 μ.μ., ο/η Leroy N. Soetoro έγραψε:
> https://dailyangle.com/articles/3-more-inconvenient-facts-about-electric-
> cars
>
> Politicians praise electric cars. If everyone buys them, they say, solar
> and wind power will replace our need for oil.
>
> But that's absurd.
>
> Here is the rest of my list of "inconvenient facts" about electric cars.
>
> "The future of the auto industry is electric," says President Joe Biden.
> He assumes a vast improvement in batteries. Better batteries are crucial
> because both power plants and cars need to store lots of electric power.
>
> But here's inconvenient fact 3: Batteries are lousy at storing large
> amounts of energy.
>
> "Batteries leak, and they don't hold a lot," says physicist Mark Mills.
>
> Mills thinks electric cars are great but explains that "oil begins with a
> huge advantage: 5,000% more energy in it per pound. Electric car batteries
> weigh 1,000 pounds. Those 1,000 pounds replace just 80 pounds of
> gasoline."
>
> But future batteries will be better, I point out.
>
> "Engineers are really good at making things better," Mills responds, "but
> they can't make them better than the laws of physics permit."
>
> That's inconvenient fact 4. Miracle batteries powerful enough to replace
> fossil fuels are a fantasy.
>
> "Because nature is not nice to humans," explains Mills, "we store energy
> for when it's cold or really hot. People who imagine an energy transition
> want to build windmills and solar panels and store all that energy in
> batteries. But if you do the arithmetic, you find you'd need to build
> about a hundred trillion dollars' worth of batteries to store the same
> amount of energy that Europe has in storage now for this winter. It would
> take the world's battery factories 400 years to manufacture that many
> batteries."
>
> Politicians don't mention that when they promise every car will be
> electric. They also don't mention that the electric grid is limited.
>
> This summer, California officials were so worried about blackouts they
> asked electric vehicle owners to stop charging cars!
>
> Yet today, few of California's cars are electric. Gov. Gavin Newsom
> ordered that all new cars must be electric by 2035! Where does he think
> he'll get the electricity to power them?
>
> "Roughly speaking, you have to double your electric grid to move the
> energy out of gasoline into the electric sector," says Mills. "No one is
> planning to double the electric grid, so they'll be rationing."
>
> Rationing. That means some places will simply turn off some of the power.
> That's our final inconvenient fact: We just don't have enough electricity
> for all electric cars.
>
> Worse, if (as many activists and politicians propose) we try to get that
> electricity from 100% renewable sources, the rationing would be deadly.
>
> "Even if you cover the entire continent of the United States with solar
> panels, you wouldn't supply half of America's electricity," Mills points
> out.
>
> Even if you added "Washington Monument-sized wind turbines spread over an
> area six times greater than the state of New York, that wouldn't be
> enough."
>
> This is just math and physics. It's amazing supposedly responsible people
> promote impossible fantasies.
>
> "It's been an extraordinary accomplishment of propaganda," complains
> Mills, "almost infantile ... distressing because it's so silly."
>
> Even if people invent much better cars, wind turbines, solar panels, power
> lines and batteries, explains Mills, "you're still drilling things,
> digging up stuff. You're still building machines that wear out. … It's not
> magical transformation."
>
> Even worse, today politicians make us pay more for energy while forcing us
> to do things that hurt the environment. Their restrictions on fossil fuels
> drive people to use fuels that pollute more.
>
> In Europe: "They're going back to burning coal! What we've done is have
> our energy systems designed by bureaucrats instead of engineers,"
> complains Mills. "We get worse energy, more expensive energy and higher
> environmental impacts!"
>
> I like electric cars. But I won't pretend that driving one makes me some
> kind of environmental hero.
>
> "There'll be lots more electric cars in the future," concludes Mills.
> "There should be, because that'll reduce demand for oil, which is a good
> thing. But when you do the math, to operate a society with 5 or 6 billion
> people who are living in poverty we can't imagine, when you want to give
> them a little of what we have, the energy demands are off the charts big.
> We're going to need everything."
>
> That includes fossil fuels.
>
> Every Tuesday at JohnStossel.com, Stossel posts a new video about the
> battle between government and freedom.
>
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> CENTER. THANK YOU!
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>
condition could be even worse. let's assume that Crete (the island where
I live in in southern Greece) has 500,000 cars (it has almost 500,000
inhabitants). The worst case scenario is that all cars would charge at
the same time. Thus 500,000 * 11 kW =5,5 GW. With an efficiency factor
of 50 % that would make 11 GVA, with a reactive power of 5,5 GVAr!!!
The peak power in Crete is 800 MW in summer with all power stations
working round the clock full throttle, and all wind turbines
photovoltaics etc. I have noticed that despite the wind turbines etc.
the power station of Linoperamata (very near the city I live) is working
full throttle with the oldest unit commisioned in 1966!! and burning
mostly heavy fuel (mazut) and diesel for the gas turbines. and despite
the wind turbine hype electricity is as expensive as ever. so that would
need an 1000 % grow in the grid!! 10 times as much!! the peak of
continental Greece is ¬10 GW with much more possible sources of
generation (lignite, hydro, natural gas, imports from other countries etc.).

Στις 11/1/2023 6:01 μ.μ., ο/η Dimitris Tzortzakakis έγραψε:
> Στις 8/1/2023 9:51 μ.μ., ο/η Leroy N. Soetoro έγραψε:
>> https://dailyangle.com/articles/3-more-inconvenient-facts-about-electric-
>> cars
>>
>> Politicians praise electric cars. If everyone buys them, they say, solar
>> and wind power will replace our need for oil.
>>
>> But that's absurd.
>>
>> Here is the rest of my list of "inconvenient facts" about electric cars.
>>
>> "The future of the auto industry is electric," says President Joe Biden.
>> He assumes a vast improvement in batteries. Better batteries are crucial
>> because both power plants and cars need to store lots of electric power.
>>
>> But here's inconvenient fact 3: Batteries are lousy at storing large
>> amounts of energy.
>>
>> "Batteries leak, and they don't hold a lot," says physicist Mark Mills.
>>
>> Mills thinks electric cars are great but explains that "oil begins with a
>> huge advantage: 5,000% more energy in it per pound. Electric car
>> batteries
>> weigh 1,000 pounds. Those 1,000 pounds replace just 80 pounds of
>> gasoline."
>>
>> But future batteries will be better, I point out.
>>
>> "Engineers are really good at making things better," Mills responds, "but
>> they can't make them better than the laws of physics permit."
>>
>> That's inconvenient fact 4. Miracle batteries powerful enough to replace
>> fossil fuels are a fantasy.
>>
>> "Because nature is not nice to humans," explains Mills, "we store energy
>> for when it's cold or really hot. People who imagine an energy transition
>> want to build windmills and solar panels and store all that energy in
>> batteries. But if you do the arithmetic, you find you'd need to build
>> about a hundred trillion dollars' worth of batteries to store the same
>> amount of energy that Europe has in storage now for this winter. It would
>> take the world's battery factories 400 years to manufacture that many
>> batteries."
>>
>> Politicians don't mention that when they promise every car will be
>> electric. They also don't mention that the electric grid is limited.
>>
>> This summer, California officials were so worried about blackouts they
>> asked electric vehicle owners to stop charging cars!
>>
>> Yet today, few of California's cars are electric. Gov. Gavin Newsom
>> ordered that all new cars must be electric by 2035! Where does he think
>> he'll get the electricity to power them?
>>
>> "Roughly speaking, you have to double your electric grid to move the
>> energy out of gasoline into the electric sector," says Mills. "No one is
>> planning to double the electric grid, so they'll be rationing."
>>
>> Rationing. That means some places will simply turn off some of the power.
>> That's our final inconvenient fact: We just don't have enough electricity
>> for all electric cars.
>>
>> Worse, if (as many activists and politicians propose) we try to get that
>> electricity from 100% renewable sources, the rationing would be deadly.
>>
>> "Even if you cover the entire continent of the United States with solar
>> panels, you wouldn't supply half of America's electricity," Mills points
>> out.
>>
>> Even if you added "Washington Monument-sized wind turbines spread over an
>> area six times greater than the state of New York, that wouldn't be
>> enough."
>>
>> This is just math and physics. It's amazing supposedly responsible people
>> promote impossible fantasies.
>>
>> "It's been an extraordinary accomplishment of propaganda," complains
>> Mills, "almost infantile ... distressing because it's so silly."
>>
>> Even if people invent much better cars, wind turbines, solar panels,
>> power
>> lines and batteries, explains Mills, "you're still drilling things,
>> digging up stuff. You're still building machines that wear out. … It's
>> not
>> magical transformation."
>>
>> Even worse, today politicians make us pay more for energy while
>> forcing us
>> to do things that hurt the environment. Their restrictions on fossil
>> fuels
>> drive people to use fuels that pollute more.
>>
>> In Europe: "They're going back to burning coal! What we've done is have
>> our energy systems designed by bureaucrats instead of engineers,"
>> complains Mills. "We get worse energy, more expensive energy and higher
>> environmental impacts!"
>>
>> I like electric cars. But I won't pretend that driving one makes me some
>> kind of environmental hero.
>>
>> "There'll be lots more electric cars in the future," concludes Mills.
>> "There should be, because that'll reduce demand for oil, which is a good
>> thing. But when you do the math, to operate a society with 5 or 6 billion
>> people who are living in poverty we can't imagine, when you want to give
>> them a little of what we have, the energy demands are off the charts big.
>> We're going to need everything."
>>
>> That includes fossil fuels.
>>
>> Every Tuesday at JohnStossel.com, Stossel posts a new video about the
>> battle between government and freedom.
>>
>> SUPPORT TRUTHFUL JOURNALISM. MAKE A DONATION TO THE NONPROFIT WND NEWS
>> CENTER. THANK YOU!
>>
>> The post 3 more inconvenient facts about electric cars appeared first on
>> WND.
>>
> condition could be even worse. let's assume that Crete (the island where
> I live in in southern Greece) has 500,000 cars (it has almost 500,000
> inhabitants). The worst case scenario is that all cars would charge at
> the same time. Thus 500,000 * 11 kW =5,5 GW. With an efficiency factor
> of 50 % that would make 11 GVA, with a reactive power of 5,5 GVAr!!!
> The peak power in Crete is 800 MW in summer with all power stations
> working round the clock full throttle, and all wind turbines
> photovoltaics etc. I have noticed that despite the wind turbines etc.
> the power station of Linoperamata (very near the city I live) is working
> full throttle with the oldest unit commisioned in 1966!! and burning
> mostly heavy fuel (mazut) and diesel for the gas turbines. and despite
> the wind turbine hype electricity is as expensive as ever. so that would
> need an 1000 % grow in the grid!! 10 times as much!! the peak of
> continental Greece is ¬10 GW with much more possible sources of
> generation (lignite, hydro, natural gas, imports from other countries
> etc.).
>
what's more about batteries-a mobile phone battery stores Wh. A car
battery stores kWh. A truck (!!!) battery or a railway locomotive (!!)
would store MWh. a million times that of a mobile phone!! And in grid
scale we would need GWh!!! A *billion* times that of a mobile phone!!
not to mention the expensive electronics needed to charge and discharge
them (not a piece of cake). And to convert 3 phase AC to DC and back.
How are we going to build up mobile phone batteries in a billion scale
larger is anyone's guess.