May 6th...

How well I remember the last one for Elizabeth II on June 2nd 1953 ---- 70 years ago.

It was a major event, even in the United States.

D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:12:18 AM UTC-10, DSH wrote:
> May 6th...
>
> How well I remember the last one for Elizabeth II on June 2nd 1953 ---- 70 years ago.
>
> It was a major event, even in the United States.
>
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Prince William will be the only senior royal to participate in King Charles’ coronation ceremony. He will be his liege man and pledge to “live and die” for his father during the royal event."

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 8:12:18 PM UTC+1, DSH wrote:
> May 6th...
>
> How well I remember the last one for Elizabeth II on June 2nd 1953 ---- 70 years ago.
>
> It was a major event, even in the United States.
>
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

I win, I was actually at Princess Elizabeth's wedding - which you challenged some years back, dear Spencer (if you're still able to remember), and then you had to shamefacedly withdraw. Any retrospective comments?

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:19:26 AM UTC-10, DSH wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:12:18 AM UTC-10, DSH wrote:
> > May 6th...
> >
> > How well I remember the last one for Elizabeth II on June 2nd 1953 ---- 70 years ago.
> >
> > It was a major event, even in the United States.
> >
> > D. Spencer Hines
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas

> "Prince William will be the only senior royal to participate in King Charles’ coronation ceremony. He will be his liege man and pledge to “live and die” for his father during the royal event."

Elizabeth II's Coronation

We watched it on a small TV -- black and white, of course. The Special Relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States was much stronger then -- and both nations had strong, competent leaders -- Churchill and Eisenhower.

DSH

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:19:26 AM UTC-10, DSH wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:12:18 AM UTC-10, DSH wrote:
> > > May 6th...
> > >
> > > How well I remember the last one for Elizabeth II on June 2nd 1953 ---- 70 years ago.
> > >
> > > It was a major event, even in the United States.
> > >
> > > D. Spencer Hines
> > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> > "Prince William will be the only senior royal to participate in King Charles’ coronation ceremony. He will be his liege man and pledge to “live and die” for his father during the royal event."
> Elizabeth II's Coronation
>
> We watched it on a small TV -- black and white, of course. The Special Relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States was much stronger then -- and both nations had strong, competent leaders -- Churchill and Eisenhower.
>
> DSH

Of course, there's this:

"On the evening of 23 June 1953, Churchill suffered a serious stroke and became partially paralysed down one side. Had Eden been well, Churchill's premiership would most likely have been over. The matter was kept secret and Churchill went home to Chartwell to recuperate. He had fully recovered by November.[440][441][442] He retired as Prime Minister in April 1955 and was succeeded by Eden.[443]" - Wikipedia

I am kind of glad for the Royal Family, because it conjures up the world I (we) used to live in. Which I preferred to the one we have by a long shot.

The Windsor's peccadilloes seem so mild compared to what politicians commit today.
I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really? To mess with your hormones, have unnecessary surgeries and for what? In the end a trans woman is just a guy pretending to be one. Long hair, lipstick and a dick chopped to reassemble an orchid will never be a pussy, only a chopped-up dick. Is this how men abuse women these days, by trying to replace them with secret hairy balls? How awful. You can't defeat biology, only hang onto its back, hoping... which is what morals and ethics do. Good luck with that.

King Charles and I are the same age. He's improved considerable from how I remember him in younger years. He is a lot more comfortable to look at now.

It doesn't take a lot of news watching or traveling to realize we are in a jam in several regards. We could get a respite as soon as, Trump, Pootin, Xi, and Kim were shot between the eyes with a 10 gauge shotgun. That would be easy compared to the rest. Last October I was snorkeling in the Red Sea (not red, by the way), and about 70-80% of the exquisite coral is gone, turned to dead brown.
If you want to rewind the world 50 years go to the Middle East. I've spend months there and Greece doing field work, and it feels like 1970. Didn't see or hear of any 'trans' people. On the down side... as I sat where the desert meets the sea pondering where the beach ends and the desert begins, a very large scorpion stung my pinky. Wondering if Arabs have something like the last rites, I asked for help. They told me not to worry, the 'little ones' are the ones to watch for. Noted.

Long live the King.

Princess Anne will certainly have a quite fascinating role as "Gold-Stick-in-Waiting":
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ROYALS
Princess Anne's Role in Brother King Charles' Coronation Revealed!
While her brother may be King, Anne typically takes the title each year as the hardest-working royal

By Erin Hill Published on April 27, 2023 12:28 PM
PEOPLE

Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.

The Princess Royal, 72, will take part in the procession following the crowning ceremony as the "Gold-Stick-in-Waiting", The Mirror reports. The prestigious position, which Anne has held since 1998, dates back to the 15th century when two officers — a Gold Stick and a Silver Stick — were placed close to the monarch to protect them from harm.

Anne will ride on horseback behind King Charles, 74, and Queen Camilla's carriage following their coronation at Westminster Abbey on May 6. She will then lead 6,000 armed services personnel through the streets of London.

The procession, which will also include other members of the royal family, will travel back to Buckingham Palace, where select family members will appear on the balcony and greet the cheering crowds below.

Queen Elizabeth's only daughter attended the most royal engagements of any member of the royal family in 2022, embarking upon 214 engagements in total..

King Charles snagged the second spot with 181 royal engagements, many of which took place before Queen Elizabeth's death last September when he acceded the throne.

Although then-Prince Charles topped the list in 2019 and 2020, his sister is regularly the most industrious.

Princess Anne also took on a number of personal duties in 2022, including accompanying her mother's coffin from Scotland, where the monarch died at Balmoral Castle on Sept. 8, back to the U.K.

"I was fortunate to share the last 24 hours of my dearest Mother's life," Princess Anne said in a statement released by Buckingham Palace in the days after Queen Elizabeth's death. "It has been an honour and a privilege to accompany her on her final journeys."

In December, Princess Anne and her younger brother Prince Edward were named Counsellors of State, meaning they can carry out constitutional duties for their brother King Charles if he is abroad or unwell.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:37:28 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
<dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:

>Princess Anne will certainly have a quite fascinating role as "Gold-Stick-in-Waiting":
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>ROYALS
>Princess Anne's Role in Brother King Charles' Coronation Revealed!
>While her brother may be King, Anne typically takes the title each year as the hardest-working royal
>
>By Erin Hill Published on April 27, 2023 12:28 PM
>PEOPLE
>
>Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.

What happens if Bonnie King Charlie collapses in the abbey, down the
aisle to the thunderous strains of Handel's stuff, and dies there from
the strain and overwork?

Do then we have to go the whole dreary funeral and subsequent crowning
all over again?

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
wrote:

>I am kind of glad for the Royal Family, because it conjures up the world I (we) used to live in. Which I preferred to the one we have by a long shot.

It does keep the populace distracted.
>
>The Windsor's peccadilloes seem so mild compared to what politicians commit today.
>I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really? To mess with your hormones, have unnecessary surgeries and for what? In the end a trans woman is just a guy pretending to be one. Long hair, lipstick and a dick chopped to reassemble an orchid will never be a pussy, only a chopped-up dick. Is this how men abuse women these days, by trying to replace them with secret hairy balls? How awful. You can't defeat biology, only hang onto its back, hoping... which is what morals and ethics do. Good luck with that.

Do you remember that report of Whitehall's Nazi party (the festivity,
that is) with SS uniforms, whips, chains and Wagner's music? It made
the heart sing!
>
>King Charles and I are the same age. He's improved considerable from how I remember him in younger years. He is a lot more comfortable to look at now.

....uh no. He's looks ready for the grave.
>
>It doesn't take a lot of news watching or traveling to realize we are in a jam in several regards. We could get a respite as soon as, Trump, Pootin, Xi, and Kim were shot between the eyes with a 10 gauge shotgun. That would be easy compared to the rest. Last October I was snorkeling in the Red Sea (not red, by the way), and about 70-80% of the exquisite coral is gone, turned to dead brown.
>

>If you want to rewind the world 50 years go to the Middle East. I've spend months there and Greece doing field work, and it feels like 1970. Didn't see or hear of any 'trans' people. On the down side... as I sat where the desert meets the sea pondering where the beach ends and the desert begins, a very large scorpion stung my pinky. Wondering if Arabs have something like the last rites, I asked for help. They told me not to worry, the 'little ones' are the ones to watch for. Noted.

>Long live the King.
Don't hold your breath!

> Tiglath
>
> I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really?

This is the world you wanted and voted for, xer.

https://i.postimg.cc/j55xcnpC/1551168085633.png

> Peter Jason
> > D. Spencer Hines
> >
> > Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
>
> She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.

Well, she's old now but was ok back in the day.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/8c/f2/288cf2b25807a79b684c49ab3eba3d5f.jpg

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:42:42 AM UTC-10, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Peter Jason
> > > D. Spencer Hines
> > >
> > > Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
> >
> > She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.
> Well, she's old now but was ok back in the day.
>
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/8c/f2/288cf2b25807a79b684c49ab3eba3d5f.jpg

"I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really? To mess with your hormones, have unnecessary surgeries and for what? In the end a trans woman is just a guy pretending to be one. Long hair, lipstick and a dick chopped to reassemble an orchid will never be a pussy, only a chopped-up dick. Is this how men abuse women these days, by trying to replace them with secret hairy balls? How awful. You can't defeat biology, only hang onto its back, hoping... which is what morals and ethics do. Good luck with that."

Tiglath

Not at sixes and sevens?

DSH

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:41:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Tiglath
> >
> > I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really?
> This is the world you wanted and voted for, xer.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/j55xcnpC/1551168085633.png

I confess that my attitude towards the trans trend I expressed here is a knee jerk reaction. Not unlike that of our parents about the Devil's Music our young generation liked so much with all the attendant counterculture strings.

In fact my understanding has improved a lot lately, but don't ask me to like it, celebrate it, or join the trend. I accept it and I no longer believe that trans people are broken or abnormal, even if socially it's a new trend a majority looks down upon. People can change if people stop and get better informed.
It turns out that our constant push to analyze, categorize and label everything is only a device to facilitate our understanding of things that ACTUALLY are not separate but whole and not at all black and white. In nature things are gradual, taper on or off, and there are few strict boundaries and absolutes, very much like history. Our wisdom iso extracted is often a string of generalizations that are only partially true at best.

What defines sex? Most popular answer: chromosomes. Y or XX pair? Male or female? The sad part is that most people don't know that the world is full of good folks with other combinations: XXY (or Klinefelter Syndrome), XXX (or Trisomy X), XXXY, and so on. You or I, or Mr. Hines could have been one. It's not our choosing or merit that we are not. There’s even something called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, a condition that keeps the brains of people with a Y from absorbing the information in that chromosome. Most of these people develop as female, and may not even know about their condition until puberty — or even later.

Can you wrap your mind around that? Including modifying your social mores? Unless you do, your macho beliefs are sustained by unnatural lies.

I feel obliged to do so, as a good guy, a freedom-loving guy, because a very important freedom is to be free to feel the way one feels. Feel like a woman, man, or some male-female cocktail? That's fine with me. It's NATURAL.

When 'chromosomes' don't work as an anti-trans argument, people try testicles and ovaries, which in fact come from the same structure in the fetus, and can go either way, or breasts. Is a person who loses their ovaries or balls no longer the same sex? Are men with ginecomastia women? This excuse doesn't work either.

I don't think anyone before the age of reason should be concerned with any of this, keep children out of the issue. That's my beef, and no science will change that.

Live and learn and let live.

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 5:37:00 PM UTC-4, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 10:42:42 AM UTC-10, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > > Peter Jason
> > > > D. Spencer Hines
> > > >
> > > > Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
> > >
> > > She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.
> > Well, she's old now but was ok back in the day.
> >
> > https://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/8c/f2/288cf2b25807a79b684c49ab3eba3d5f.jpg
> "I thought I was socially liberal but I am at four-and-sixes over this trans fashion. Is that fun, really? To mess with your hormones, have unnecessary surgeries and for what? In the end a trans woman is just a guy pretending to be one. Long hair, lipstick and a dick chopped to reassemble an orchid will never be a pussy, only a chopped-up dick. Is this how men abuse women these days, by trying to replace them with secret hairy balls? How awful. You can't defeat biology, only hang onto its back, hoping... which is what morals and ethics do. Good luck with that."
> Tiglath
>
> Not at sixes and sevens?
>
Sick of those. There are more numbers than coins. Let's coin some numbers..

If current thinking about sex doesn't match the actual effects of human chromosomes, it's by far not the only mismatch begging for correction, if we are to have a more perfect humanity.

The US constitution can be thought as the genes of the American nation. Yet, a cornerstone of American politics is not even mentioned, but has nevertheless forcibly confined the people to yet another binary choice. It's easier to separate conjoined twins that separate Americans from the two-party system - absent in our constitution and maligned by Jefferson as nefarious.

Is it wired-in human behavior? True, if you confine a bunch of apolitical folks to an island, some time later you'd find conservatives and progressives. There must be an evolutionary advantage in polarizing life into competing factions to encourage ingenuity.

Wired behavior as it may be, it's not unavoidable. Independent voters avoid it, and constitute as well the purest form of Americans, politically, I believe. The two-party system now deeply rooted in law and custom is doing the work, slowly but steadily, to make true the Confederate dream of splitting the country in two. That we fought horrible war against this tendency is the worst indictment against the current system. We are not only in a bad relationship but well trapped in it.

Many American households with the passing of time have adopted a political tradition, as hulls gather barnacles, and however nice it may be to continue that family thing, it boils down to absurdities with lamentable frequency.. Notoriously, the attitude that our guy can’t do wrong, and the other guy can’t do right. Which is pure BS. And no way to encourage good government. I know people they would rather put out a camp fire with their face than say something good about Obama. Not one good thing in eight years, not even the killing of Bin Laden! Behold. Intelligent people modeling the mental cage of partisanship... I think I could find something Trump did in his four years that I approve of. May take some searching, but I concede it is possible... despite the fact that I wish Trump dead, his family dead and all memory of them erased. Partisanship is a mental cage and ruins any aspiration of impartiality, because the most important thing is to play the home team card, even if you have to bend facts and deny truths, or else you are being disloyal. I don’t know that from experience but by far too much observation.

Here is an example: Hewitt wrote recently about Biden's presidential 'catastrophes.' Among them he included, low unemployment, labeled as 'labor shortages' and even gave a supporting link, which led to an article bemoaning how farmers can't fill available jobs.... FARMERS! Jobs Americans don't want.. Jobs usually filled by migrants. And that is the same guy railing against immigrants in countless other articles.
That is stylistic mendacity. The guy just can't help himself. Too long a partisan to see or care for the truth. In sum: a bad read.

I am so happy I am not like that.

Before signing off... I found something to praise Trump about. He printed a lot of money and gave us some when we were down. Good call. Biden did more of the same. And now we have to balance the books, meaning we have to give some of that money back, paying higher prices. No biggie. Print money is what nations do in war or plague. It helped... a cause for celebration, not partisan war.

My three cents.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:53:52 +1000, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:37:28 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
><dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Princess Anne will certainly have a quite fascinating role as "Gold-Stick-in-Waiting":
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>ROYALS
>>Princess Anne's Role in Brother King Charles' Coronation Revealed!
>>While her brother may be King, Anne typically takes the title each year as the hardest-working royal
>>
>>By Erin Hill Published on April 27, 2023 12:28 PM
>>PEOPLE
>>
>>Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
>
>She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.
>
>What happens if Bonnie King Charlie collapses in the abbey, down the
>aisle to the thunderous strains of Handel's stuff, and dies there from
>the strain and overwork?
>
>Do then we have to go the whole dreary funeral and subsequent crowning
>all over again?

Probably if that were to happen actually in the cathedral - though
note that that's not automatic if he were to abdicate or die before
that.

My great-grandfather went from Canada to the UK for the 1936
coronation that never was and died in Northern Ireland while visiting
family there and was preparing to return home once Edward's abdication
was announced.

Since it was the 1930s that's why he is buried in his hometown (one of
the outer suburbs of Belfast) while my great-grandmother 10 years
later died and was buried in White Rock, BC thousands of miles away.
(So far as I know the only ones of my forebears who aren't buried
together) Ironically enough I've seen his grave while never having
seen hers which is about 90 minutes driving time from home.

(Whereas my mother who was killed in a car crash in Tucson, AZ in 2005
was brought home to Vancouver for burial - I had a harrowing week
since the flight connection to Vancouver was missed and we got her
home with no more than 12 hours to spare)

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 9:58:49 AM UTC-10, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:53:52 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 13:37:28 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
> ><dsh..
> >
> >>Princess Anne will certainly have a quite fascinating role as "Gold-Stick-in-Waiting":
> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>ROYALS
> >>Princess Anne's Role in Brother King Charles' Coronation Revealed!
> >>While her brother may be King, Anne typically takes the title each year as the hardest-working royal
> >>
> >>By Erin Hill Published on April 27, 2023 12:28 PM
> >>PEOPLE
> >>
> >>Princess Anne is known for being the hardest-working role, and now she'll be taking on an important role at her brother King Charles' coronation next week.
> >
> >She is for sure the ugliest woman ever whelped.
> >
> >What happens if Bonnie King Charlie collapses in the abbey, down the
> >aisle to the thunderous strains of Handel's stuff, and dies there from
> >the strain and overwork?
> >
> >Do then we have to go the whole dreary funeral and subsequent crowning
> >all over again?
> Probably if that were to happen actually in the cathedral - though
> note that that's not automatic if he were to abdicate or die before
> that.
>
> My great-grandfather went from Canada to the UK for the 1936
> coronation that never was and died in Northern Ireland while visiting
> family there and was preparing to return home once Edward's abdication
> was announced.
>
> Since it was the 1930s that's why he is buried in his hometown (one of
> the outer suburbs of Belfast) while my great-grandmother 10 years
> later died and was buried in White Rock, BC thousands of miles away.
> (So far as I know the only ones of my forebears who aren't buried
> together) Ironically enough I've seen his grave while never having
> seen hers which is about 90 minutes driving time from home.
>
> (Whereas my mother who was killed in a car crash in Tucson, AZ in 2005
> was brought home to Vancouver for burial - I had a harrowing week
> since the flight connection to Vancouver was missed and we got her
> home with no more than 12 hours to spare)

Well, Harry seems to have behaved.

He surely does not want to be "cancelled".