Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:19:24 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday?

It really was one great flight by the 15m LS-6 guy (Thorsen Streppel), and he did smoke (without regard to handicap) the EB-29 and an ASG-32mi (and lots of other hardware). The top OLC flight in the world on 7/7 out of Ely Nevada.
1237 km distance
1155 km FAI triangle
136.2 kph (84.6 mph)
9:05 hours total time
https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=8501453

A great flight in a 40 year old design.

ROY

On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>
It appears you don't understand the basics of glider performance, Bob. Thorsten didn't do
well because he didn't have a motor, but because he's a terrific pilot, flying on a
terrific day, in an area that routinely produces terrific days. We ALL should examine his
flights carefully, so we might do better ourselves.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:19:24 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!

Say it ain't so Bob. You mean to tell me that without an engine over pucker producing Terran the tremendous advantage that motorgliders have did not prevail. How can that be.

Congratulations Thorsen, a great flight!

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:27:56 AM UTC-4, RR wrote:
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:19:24 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> Say it ain't so Bob. You mean to tell me that without an engine over pucker producing Terran the tremendous advantage that motorgliders have did not prevail. How can that be.
>
> Congratulations Thorsen, a great flight!

Yes we can all confirm by taking a look at OLC and seeing how a 40 year old glider made the motorgliders look like a 1-26. Please, this is no disrespect to a great bunch of 1-26 purist.
Looks like ole Amos is making excuses and has a hard time looking at the numbers and understanding defeat. Yes, pucker producing terrain, with no motor to get him home in a 40 year old design. Thorsen, great flight and one for the purist team. Old Bob, The Purist

On 7/10/2021 5:42 AM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:27:56 AM UTC-4, RR wrote:
>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:19:24 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>> Say it ain't so Bob. You mean to tell me that without an engine over pucker producing Terran the tremendous advantage that motorgliders have did not prevail. How can that be.
>>
>> Congratulations Thorsen, a great flight!
>
> Yes we can all confirm by taking a look at OLC and seeing how a 40 year old glider made the motorgliders look like a 1-26. Please, this is no disrespect to a great bunch of 1-26 purist.
> Looks like ole Amos is making excuses and has a hard time looking at the numbers and understanding defeat. Yes, pucker producing terrain, with no motor to get him home in a 40 year old design. Thorsen, great flight and one for the purist team. Old Bob, The Purist
>

Are you suggesting Thorsten took serious risks with his safety, and that is why he was
able to do so well?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!

Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads.

Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.

Dave

On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
> This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:39:49 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
> Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
> keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads..
>
> Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.
>
> Dave
> On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
> > This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
> >
> > On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory.. Old Bob, The PURIST!

Kinsell. I thought the least you motorglider guys could do would be to congratulate the purist for such a great flight. Amos did pose a very good question about risk. Eric, if you believe that there is no risk involved in a purist flight vs a motorglider you should probably go back to the basics and try to understand the difference in the two modes of flight. Just last week I was about 15 miles offshore over the Atlantic, I have a great picture that you should see. Were there no greater risk in my flight vs being in that situation in a motorglider? What really is somewhat comical is that many of the motorglider fliers that opine in this format deny any motor advantage. Old Bob, The Purist

On 7/10/2021 2:34 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:39:49 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
>> Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
>> keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads.
>>
>> Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.
>>
>> Dave
>> On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
>>> This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>
> Kinsell. I thought the least you motorglider guys could do would be to congratulate the purist for such a great flight. Amos did pose a very good question about risk. Eric, if you believe that there is no risk involved in a purist flight vs a motorglider you should probably go back to the basics and try to understand the difference in the two modes of flight. Just last week I was about 15 miles offshore over the Atlantic, I have a great picture that you should see. Were there no greater risk in my flight vs being in that situation in a motorglider? What really is somewhat comical is that many of the motorglider fliers that opine in this format deny any motor advantage. Old Bob, The Purist
>
Are you suggesting Thorsten took serious risks with his safety, and that is why he was
able to do so well?

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:39:49 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
> keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads..
>
> Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.
>
> Dave
> On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
> > This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
> >
> > On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory.. Old Bob, The PURIST!

How can it be a great flight when he didn't fly around the swamp? I thought that was how you judged flights.

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:12:20 PM UTC-7, s.bral...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 7:39:49 AM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> > Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
> > keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads.
> >
> > Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.
> >
> > Dave
> > On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
> > > This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
> > >
> > > On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> How can it be a great flight when he didn't fly around the swamp? I thought that was how you judged flights.
It was a fantastic flight!

Purist Charlie

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:19:24 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!

You are using "purist", like some contrived badge of honor when it really means lame, needing assistance to get off the ground. The real purists being the soaring birds, who without self launch could not survive. BTW, sorry about your disability. :c)

On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>
I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-5, bumper wrote:
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:19:24 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> You are using "purist", like some contrived badge of honor when it really means lame, needing assistance to get off the ground. The real purists being the soaring birds, who without self launch could not survive. BTW, sorry about your disability. :c)
Please note that "purist" Bob didn't even mention Thorsten Streppel by name in his posting opening this thread. Then later he misspelled Thorsten's first name. Thorsten is a good German friend of mine who should be in the record books for flying on 5 consecutive days out of Parowan over 1,000 km in that old LS6. I called him an Überflieger then in my write-up of the motor-glider meet that we both were flying in with our pure gliders. Blabbing about how that all diminishes gliders with engines is typical for a short-sighted hater like the above mentioned self declared "Purist".
Herb

On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 21:34:47 UTC+1, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 10:39:49 AM UTC-4, kinsell wrote:
> > Yes of course it's trolling. Kill files work well, except when people
> > keep responding to this garbage, then you have to kill individual threads.
> >
> > Daryl Sabatoff, 'Dee', and now Youngblood.
> >
> > Dave
> > On 7/10/21 7:39 AM, Airport Bum wrote:
> > > This is trolling, folk, just ignore…..
> > >
> > > On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:19:24 PM UTC-6, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> Kinsell. I thought the least you motorglider guys could do would be to congratulate the purist for such a great flight. Amos did pose a very good question about risk. Eric, if you believe that there is no risk involved in a purist flight vs a motorglider you should probably go back to the basics and try to understand the difference in the two modes of flight. Just last week I was about 15 miles offshore over the Atlantic, I have a great picture that you should see. Were there no greater risk in my flight vs being in that situation in a motorglider? What really is somewhat comical is that many of the motorglider fliers that opine in this format deny any motor advantage. Old Bob, The Purist

I'm just amazed you folks can keep on having the same argument

And when this kiss is over, it will start again
Will not be any different, will be exactly the same
It's hard to imagine that nothing at all
Could be so exciting, could be this much fun

lyrics from Heaven, by Talking Heads

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 12:34:28 AM UTC-6, bumper wrote:
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:19:24 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> You are using "purist", like some contrived badge of honor when it really means lame, needing assistance to get off the ground. The real purists being the soaring birds, who without self launch could not survive. BTW, sorry about your disability. :c)

The self-appointed "The PURIST!" label appeared very recently. New label aptly describing the same OLD BS.

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> >
> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist

I know a long time motorglider pilot who says that any sensible one plans and prepares when low and lift is scarce for a landout just like a plain ol' glider driver. Simple reality, for all those motor issues, maybe starting a bit higher. Them iron thermal types have to be aware that their security blanket might not start or work right or any of those other malarkies endlessly described in these parts.
On the other hand I recall being green with envy as one of those smelly things taxies to the front of the tow queue and toddles off at the best possible time while us lillywhites have to wait for our turn to be yoiked up by a monster (nice, powerful) fuel burner.

Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 2:27:50 PM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> > >
> > I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
> > back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
> > elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
> > --
> > Eric Greenwell - USA
> > - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> > https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
> I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:59:48 AM UTC-4, Herbert Kilian wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-5, bumper wrote:
> > On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 2:19:24 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> > You are using "purist", like some contrived badge of honor when it really means lame, needing assistance to get off the ground. The real purists being the soaring birds, who without self launch could not survive. BTW, sorry about your disability. :c)
> Please note that "purist" Bob didn't even mention Thorsten Streppel by name in his posting opening this thread. Then later he misspelled Thorsten's first name. Thorsten is a good German friend of mine who should be in the record books for flying on 5 consecutive days out of Parowan over 1,000 km in that old LS6. I called him an Überflieger then in my write-up of the motor-glider meet that we both were flying in with our pure gliders. Blabbing about how that all diminishes gliders with engines is typical for a short-sighted hater like the above mentioned self declared "Purist".
> Herb

Herb, sorry I misspelled his name, please send me to the back of the spelling class for punishment. Old Bob , The Purist.

On 7/11/2021 12:27 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>>>
>> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
>> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
>> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>
> Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
> I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist
>
One retrieve in 38 flights suggests you fly very conservatively for the conditions. That's
a choice many pilots make, for various reasons. Why do you choose to fly so conservatively?
--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 7/11/2021 12:27 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >> On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> >>>
> >> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
> >> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
> >> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
> >> --
> >> Eric Greenwell - USA
> >> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> >
> > Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
> > I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing.. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist
> >
> One retrieve in 38 flights suggests you fly very conservatively for the conditions. That's
> a choice many pilots make, for various reasons. Why do you choose to fly so conservatively?
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
Eric,
I’ve landed out once while flying close to 300 hours in the last two years. You’ve seen my flying is it conservative?
Charlie L

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 4:33:36 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 7/11/2021 12:27 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >> On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
> >>>
> >> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
> >> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
> >> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
> >> --
> >> Eric Greenwell - USA
> >> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> >
> > Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
> > I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing.. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist
> >
> One retrieve in 38 flights suggests you fly very conservatively for the conditions. That's
> a choice many pilots make, for various reasons. Why do you choose to fly so conservatively?
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

Ok Amos, your getting comical again, if you think getting 1000 AGL in the middle of a swamp going around the second largest lake in the country is conservative the you need a realization check. Once again, be my guest here in Florida, stay here enjoy the fine life of Florida living and we will have fun flying together. I anxiously await your arrival, all the tows are on me, October would be a good month. Old Bob , The Purist

On 7/11/2021 2:54 PM, Charles Longley wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
....
>>>>>
>>>> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
>>>> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
>>>> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
>>>> --
>>>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>>>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>>>
>>> Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
>>> I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist
>>>
>> One retrieve in 38 flights suggests you fly very conservatively for the conditions. That's
>> a choice many pilots make, for various reasons. Why do you choose to fly so conservatively?
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
> Eric,
> I’ve landed out once while flying close to 300 hours in the last two years. You’ve seen my flying is it conservative?
> Charlie L

The remark to Bob was "...you fly very conservatively for the conditions". That's an
incomplete conclusion, and there should be a reference to the pilot, not just the
conditions; ie, Bob is apparently not challenging himself. In your case, I think one
landout in 300 hours also suggests you are not really challenging yourself, either, and
you don't know the boundaries of your abilities. While we are waiting for Bob's
self-awareness to kick in, maybe you could tell us why you don't need retrieves more often.

Now I'm wondering how often Thorsten lands out, and if he feels he is challenging himself
enough :^)

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

On 7/11/2021 2:59 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 4:33:36 PM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 7/11/2021 12:27 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-4, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>>> On 7/9/2021 3:19 PM, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Was I seeing things on OLC yesterday? Tell me I must be dreaming! As I was looking at the scores from yesterday I noticed a huge flight in a LS6, that was actually better that the EB-29 flown out of Ely yesterday. Some PURIST, laid down a huge flight and even with regard to the huge performance difference between the EB the purist in the LS6, a 40 year old PURIST platform smoked that 300K plus EB and set the standard for the day. Are you motor glider guys paying attention to the PURIST these days, if so you better trade those expensive motorgliders in for a 40 year old LS6 and become part of the PURIST revolution. This could be part of the critical glider theory. Old Bob, The PURIST!
>>>>>
>>>> I skimmed through your OLC postings for the last two years, and it appears you always land
>>>> back at your home airport, but I could easily have missed a flight where you landed
>>>> elsewhere. When was the last time you needed a retrieve?
>>>> --
>>>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>>>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>>>
>>> Now Eric, I am glad that I have captured your imagination, no, I do not always land back at my home airport, you missed something. About landing out, hell yes I have landed out, it really doesn't bother me, Oh, last year I need a retrieve, I always prepare for a landout rather than hitting the start button, which I do not have and never will.
>>> I made some good landouts in my days, once landed in a prison yard in Arcadia , Florida, that was about 1976 and I came in over the baseball field fence and made a stop just before the backstop just behind the catcher. The entire event was kind of comical, all the guards and inmates were extremely helpful in getting my Std. Cirrus over the fence so that a nice Englishman named Derek Johnson could pull me out of the prison grounds. Another time I landed my ASW20 on the access road to Shark River Valley in the middle of the Everglades, even Alfonso, E9, was very complimentary of that landing. So, to answer your question landing out is something the purist must be prepared for unlike the motorglider guys and girls, don't want to be called a sexist. Oh, last year I needed a retrieve, from a field close to the airport, but, . that was after circumnavigating Lake O for the second time. Old Bob, The Purist
>>>
>> One retrieve in 38 flights suggests you fly very conservatively for the conditions. That's
>> a choice many pilots make, for various reasons. Why do you choose to fly so conservatively?
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
>
> Ok Amos, your getting comical again, if you think getting 1000 AGL in the middle of a swamp going around the second largest lake in the country is conservative the you need a realization check. Once again, be my guest here in Florida, stay here enjoy the fine life of Florida living and we will have fun flying together. I anxiously await your arrival, all the tows are on me, October would be a good month. Old Bob , The Purist
>
Still avoiding the question, Bob. I hope you are not embarrassed about the possibility you
are not challenging yourself as a soaring pilot. There many reasons for flying gliders,
and "challenging" doesn't have to be one of them.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1