Just curious..
Is one of the main points to select where to have the Worlds is pick the place with the poorest possible weather?
Sure seems that way.
Nick
T

> Is one of the main points to select where to have the Worlds is pick the place with the poorest possible weather?

Gren Seibels (remember him?) postulated that future cultural anthropologists will be puzzled by the strange behavior of middle aged humans gathering in one spot with large, white cross-shaped artifacts in the hope of attracting rain.

On Tuesday, 10 August 2021 at 19:17:57 UTC-6, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > Is one of the main points to select where to have the Worlds is pick the place with the poorest possible weather?
> Gren Seibels (remember him?) postulated that future cultural anthropologists will be puzzled by the strange behavior of middle aged humans gathering in one spot with large, white cross-shaped artifacts in the hope of attracting rain.
Nick, I read your question differently; is it not great that a group of people and organizations stepped up to provide a venue so that the 2021 WGC could be held? The 2020 venue was not available so a group stepped up and through all the 2021 BS has made this even happen. Is the weather cooperating? No not yet but you have been on both sides of that story. Let's see how it plays out, so many folks have given days and weeks of their lives to allow a group of folks to have a great time and crown some winners.

So Nick what are you doing to contribute to the success of the 2024 worlds in Uvalde? Practically in your back yard, looking forward to see you on the grid.

Ron Gleason

On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 at 02:41:35 UTC+3, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just curious..
> Is one of the main points to select where to have the Worlds is pick the place with the poorest possible weather?
> Sure seems that way.
> Nick
> T

Comp location is based on bids. If Namibia bids for WGC, I'm pretty sure IGC will not have any objections. Usually there are only couple of bids, and at least one of them (usually all) is ALWAYS from eastern Europe. That does not leave much choice. Australia had WGC a while ago, pilots reported that weather was sh*t. It rained in Dubai World Games. Same story every time. At least they are flying in France.

Uvalde primer from Pez
Look under Texiz
http://pezdspencer.com/

Nick
T

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 10:32:59 AM UTC-4, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Uvalde primer from Pez
> Look under Texiz
> http://pezdspencer.com/
>
> Nick
> T
The one which should never been chosen was Yugoslavia/ VRSAC 1972.
The CIVV committee took the word of the Yugo s on what would be done / provided.
I was at that meeting and there was very little discussion.
The awful weather was unprecedented (showers/ thunderstorms day after day) but the
organisation was dominated by political interests. ( Setting a 450 km goal
task for both classes to make room for a big wig banquet) and the use of ground attack
planes using live ammunition in the opening programme demo.. The maps provided were a joke!
I think that better advice and research is available these days.
The weather problem remains unsolved.

John Firth

On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:41:32 -0700, Nicholas Kennedy wrote:

> Just curious..
> Is one of the main points to select where to have the Worlds is pick the
> place with the poorest possible weather?
> Sure seems that way.
> Nick T

You're seeing another effect of climate change, which is affecting
weather patterns everywhere.

I competed in the Pierre Trebod and Poitou Free Flight model flying
competitions from 1974 to 2004. These took place in France during August
every year and attracted huge international entries - bigger and better
organised that some World Champs. Competitors came from all over, Europe,
USA and Canada. After the USSR broke up some even drove from Karkov, on
the far side of the Ukraine. They came because the flying field,
organisation and weather were all wonderful: in all that time I only
remember two events being rained off and none being adversely affected by
wind or poor visibility.

See also https://xkcd.com/2500/

The 1982 Exxon climate change analysis XKCD mentions is here:
https://www.climatefiles.com/exxonmobil/1982-memo-to-exxon-management-
about-co2-greenhouse-effect/

--
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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

It's quite a feat for any number pilots fly a couple hundred kilometers barely above pattern altitude - some averaging less than 1 knot for the entire task. I saw some climbs so agonizingly slow you could finish a book on tape getting to the top of the thermal.

Sure, it isn't 190+ kph for ~600km across the moonscapes of Utah, but it's no less impressive.

Andy Blackburn
9B

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-5, Ron Gleason wrote:
> Is the weather cooperating? No not yet but you have been on both sides of that story. Let's see how it plays out, so many folks have given days and weeks of their lives to allow a group of folks to have a great time and crown some winners.

> Sure, it isn't 190+ kph for ~600km across the moonscapes of Utah, but it's no less impressive.

And any spectators don't have to strain their neck muscles too much looking up. FWIW, I HATE getting low. One of the reasons I DON"T fly in competition. I can make all the bad decisions I "want" without the assistance of a Competition Director.

Gotta hand it to the folks that do like this sort of thing. As George Moffat said in "Winning,"

"Anybody can fly when it's easy."

and:

"Contests are frequently won or lost on weak days. It takes confidence and practice to do well in such weather."

Go Team!

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:33:07 PM UTC-6, anderson....@gmail.com wrote:
> It's quite a feat for any number pilots fly a couple hundred kilometers barely above pattern altitude - some averaging less than 1 knot for the entire task. I saw some climbs so agonizingly slow you could finish a book on tape getting to the top of the thermal.
>
> Sure, it isn't 190+ kph for ~600km across the moonscapes of Utah, but it's no less impressive.
>
> Andy Blackburn
> 9B
> On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-5, Ron Gleason wrote:
> > Is the weather cooperating? No not yet but you have been on both sides of that story. Let's see how it plays out, so many folks have given days and weeks of their lives to allow a group of folks to have a great time and crown some winners.
Learning to soar in the UK (East Anglia) was fun and challenging for early cross country flying, but it's certainly doable. Later, when I first got to soar in the US, 8000agl was kind of scary at first. Seemed oddly un-natural. Got over it though.

Frank Whiteley

On 8/11/21 7:31 PM, Frank Whiteley wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:33:07 PM UTC-6,
> anderson....@gmail.com wrote:
>> It's quite a feat for any number pilots fly a couple hundred
>> kilometers barely above pattern altitude - some averaging less than
>> 1 knot for the entire task. I saw some climbs so agonizingly slow
>> you could finish a book on tape getting to the top of the thermal.
>>
>> Sure, it isn't 190+ kph for ~600km across the moonscapes of Utah,
>> but it's no less impressive.
>>
>> Andy Blackburn 9B On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-5,
>> Ron Gleason wrote:
>>> Is the weather cooperating? No not yet but you have been on both
>>> sides of that story. Let's see how it plays out, so many folks
>>> have given days and weeks of their lives to allow a group of
>>> folks to have a great time and crown some winners.
> Learning to soar in the UK (East Anglia) was fun and challenging for
> early cross country flying, but it's certainly doable. Later, when I
> first got to soar in the US, 8000agl was kind of scary at first.
> Seemed oddly un-natural. Got over it though.

Obtained my license in eastern US (MD) and achieved my first two XCs
there (MD, OH). All subsequent XC done "out west" (UT, CO, NE, NM, TX).
Always enjoyed "eastern days" - experienced in all 5 western states.
Noticed a coupla things: 1) many "western-only" pilots
disliked/didn't-enjoy/actively-feared (or distrusted) such weather/days;
2) I enjoyed 'em more when not in/above "tiger country!"

Bob W.

You make a very good point, Bob.

I was never nervous flying low out of the Dallas Ft. Worth area.  There
were fields and airports everywhere and plenty of enthusiastic retrieve
crews.  But requiring a paved airport as I do now, 8,000' AGL means a
"local" flight for me in central New Mexico.  Suitable landing spots are
just too far apart.  Well...  Suitable take off spots since I don't have
a trailer.

Dan
5J

On 8/12/21 6:29 AM, Bob W. wrote:
> On 8/11/21 7:31 PM, Frank Whiteley wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 4:33:07 PM UTC-6,
>> anderson....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It's quite a feat for any number pilots fly a couple hundred
>>> kilometers barely above pattern altitude - some averaging less than
>>> 1 knot for the entire task. I saw some climbs so agonizingly slow
>>> you could finish a book on tape getting to the top of the thermal.
>>>
>>> Sure, it isn't 190+ kph for ~600km across the moonscapes of Utah,
>>> but it's no less impressive.
>>>
>>> Andy Blackburn 9B On Tuesday, August 10, 2021 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-5,
>>> Ron Gleason wrote:
>>>> Is the weather cooperating? No not yet but you have been on both
>>>> sides of that story. Let's see how it plays out, so many folks
>>>> have given days and weeks of their lives to allow a group of
>>>> folks to have a great time and crown some winners.
>> Learning to soar in the UK (East Anglia) was fun and challenging for
>> early cross country flying, but it's certainly doable.  Later, when I
>> first got to soar in the US, 8000agl was kind of scary at first.
>> Seemed oddly un-natural.  Got over it though.
>
> Obtained my license in eastern US (MD) and achieved my first two XCs
> there (MD, OH). All subsequent XC done "out west" (UT, CO, NE, NM,
> TX). Always enjoyed "eastern days" - experienced in all 5 western
> states. Noticed a coupla things: 1) many "western-only" pilots
> disliked/didn't-enjoy/actively-feared (or distrusted) such
> weather/days; 2) I enjoyed 'em more when not in/above "tiger country!"
>
> Bob W.

On Wednesday, August 11, 2021 at 7:32:59 AM UTC-7, nickkennedy...@gmail.com wrote:
> Uvalde primer from Pez
> Look under Texiz
> http://pezdspencer.com/
>
> Nick
> T

Holy crap - that's some funny stuff. Had a coffee sinus flush at one point!

JJ

> > Uvalde primer from Pez
> > Look under Texiz
> > http://pezdspencer.com/

The description of the Texiz dialect is perfect!

Thanks to whoever is hosting/supporting the Pez D. Spencer website. It has been a favorite of mine for years, but I thought it had sadly disappeared.
Gotta save a copy. (And print it out just to be safe.)

On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 12:04:10 PM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > > Uvalde primer from Pez
> > > Look under Texiz
> > > http://pezdspencer.com/
> The description of the Texiz dialect is perfect!
>
> Thanks to whoever is hosting/supporting the Pez D. Spencer website. It has been a favorite of mine for years, but I thought it had sadly disappeared.
> Gotta save a copy. (And print it out just to be safe.)
The height of soaring achievement was being mentioned in Pez D. Spencer Strip.

Gary Kemp

It turns out he Worlds in France wasn't the only contest to get clobbered this year.
In the USA alone quite a few contests had very poor to poor weather.
FWIW
Nick
T