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* Moving Experimental Glider to New FSDORoy B.
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 by: Roy B. - Sat, 21 Aug 2021 17:22 UTC

Does anyone have experience moving an Experimental glider (Racing & Exhibition) from one FSDO to another? I am wondering it it can be done on the Program Letter ( not that anyone ever reads them). I'm relocating my home and obviously looking to minimize the difficulty.
Looking for experience here - not opinions or legal advice, thanks.
ROY

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Subject: Re: Moving Experimental Glider to New FSDO
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 by: MNLou - Sun, 22 Aug 2021 01:16 UTC

In 2015, I did that. It could not be done with a Program Letter. (I tried..)

The new FSDO needed to issue new Operating Limitations and inspect the glider in person. The good news is that the new OLs were less restrictive than the originals. At the same time, I had to give the FSDO a new Program Letter (which they reviewed and approved beforehand.)

It was very easy and the FSDO personnel were helpful and easy to work with.

Lou

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Subject: Re: Moving Experimental Glider to New FSDO
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 by: 2G - Sun, 22 Aug 2021 02:04 UTC

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-7, MNLou wrote:
> In 2015, I did that. It could not be done with a Program Letter. (I tried..)
>
> The new FSDO needed to issue new Operating Limitations and inspect the glider in person. The good news is that the new OLs were less restrictive than the originals. At the same time, I had to give the FSDO a new Program Letter (which they reviewed and approved beforehand.)
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> It was very easy and the FSDO personnel were helpful and easy to work with.
>
> Lou

Why change FSDOs? Just keep sending your annual program letter (which they don't read anyway) to the original FSDO.

Tom

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Subject: Re: Moving Experimental Glider to New FSDO
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 by: Richard Livingston - Sun, 22 Aug 2021 13:51 UTC

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 8:16:16 PM UTC-5, MNLou wrote:
> In 2015, I did that. It could not be done with a Program Letter. (I tried..)
>
> The new FSDO needed to issue new Operating Limitations and inspect the glider in person. The good news is that the new OLs were less restrictive than the originals. At the same time, I had to give the FSDO a new Program Letter (which they reviewed and approved beforehand.)
>
> It was very easy and the FSDO personnel were helpful and easy to work with.
>
> Lou

My experience moving an experimental LS6 from Wisconsin to St. Louis was the same as Lou described, except they didn't require a personal inspection. They issued a new Airworthiness Certificate, registration and operating limitations, and I submitted a new program letter. My experience with the FSDO was positive also, and I also got a less restrictive operating limitations letter.

Rich L.

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Subject: Re: Moving Experimental Glider to New FSDO
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 by: Hank Nixon - Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:13 UTC

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 1:22:42 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
> Does anyone have experience moving an Experimental glider (Racing & Exhibition) from one FSDO to another? I am wondering it it can be done on the Program Letter ( not that anyone ever reads them). I'm relocating my home and obviously looking to minimize the difficulty.
> Looking for experience here - not opinions or legal advice, thanks.
> ROY

Read the program letter carefully. It is quite possible(likely?) that all you have to do is submit a new program letter to the cognizant FSDO.
UH

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 by: MNLou - Mon, 23 Aug 2021 13:01 UTC

Perhaps just sending in a Program Letter will work now. When I did that in 2015, I got a phone call with "we need to talk".

That led to a meeting at the FSDO to agree to the new Operating Limitations.

YMMV -

Lou

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 by: soarsn@yahoo.com - Mon, 23 Aug 2021 21:25 UTC

On Monday, August 23, 2021 at 5:13:23 AM UTC-7, Hank Nixon wrote:
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 1:22:42 PM UTC-4, Roy B. wrote:
> > Does anyone have experience moving an Experimental glider (Racing & Exhibition) from one FSDO to another? I am wondering it it can be done on the Program Letter ( not that anyone ever reads them). I'm relocating my home and obviously looking to minimize the difficulty.
> > Looking for experience here - not opinions or legal advice, thanks.
> > ROY
> Read the program letter carefully. It is quite possible(likely?) that all you have to do is submit a new program letter to the cognizant FSDO.
> UH

Read your aircraft Operating Limitations (OLs) carefully. They should explain what is required. Some OLs were written restrictively and may need to be changed when the aircraft switches owners or FSDO jurisdictions. Others are more general (as Hank notes) and simply reference the Annual Program Letter as requiring the necessary information - these should not need to be replaced. But if you send a Program Letter to a new FSDO they may want to read your OLs to see what is applicable. Be careful, some FSDOs will try to levy the OL requirements for EX/homebuilt on you, those are different from EX/R&E.

SN

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When I purchased my DG from Richland it was simple. The operating limitations didn't reference a geographic area of operation. So I wrote up a letter and there was go.

The difference is if the operating limitations spell out a geographic operation limit. Otherwise the program letter is all that's needed.

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