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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:05 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/6e2pu838> wonderfulengineering.com

The United States Air Force Hypersonic Missile Test Has Failed Again

... The USAF has recently tested its hypersonic AGM-183A missile, and the
results came out to be disappointing .. In two years, this was a fourth
test that was failed ..

> <https://sptnkne.ws/Bb9y>
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> The US military has failed in the domain of hypersonic arms

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:09 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/pffdu9y7> londonnewstime.com

Russia's deadly new 15,880mph RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental missile set up
for testing .. The weapon can deliver a MIRV warhead weighing up to 10
tons to any point in the world flying both in the Arctic and the South Pole
... It has the ability to use orbits and unpredictable routes .. New weapons
can .. destroy areas as large as our shoddy island, or Texas ..

....

> <https://tinyurl.com/y9fyc6wc>
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> .. to make the U.S. anti-ballistic missile shield useless ..

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:11 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/s2t6bt3a> nationalinterest.org

... The first S-500 "Triumfator-M" units will enter service ..
The S-500 is Russia's upcoming next-generation flagship missile system,
promising across-the-board performance improvements over the already-
formidable S-400 Triumf. The S-500 is reportedly capable of intercepting
hypersonic cruise missiles and other aerial targets - including unmanned
aerial vehicles (UAVs) and potentially even certain types of low-orbit
satellites - flying at speeds of over Mach 5. The system has an
operational range of 600 km against ballistic missiles and 500 km for
area defense, a substantial improvement over the S-400. It can track and
target up to ten warheads flying at four miles per second, employing
distinct radar systems optimized for different types of targets.

Aside from its purported ability to intercept hypersonic threats, the
S-500's other major contribution to Russian military capabilities is
against stealth technology .. A "silver bullet" against next-generation
stealth fighters like the Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II and the
F-22 Raptor .. Neutralizes American offensive weapons ..

> <https://tinyurl.com/y7e8uhos>
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> Turkey tests its S-400 missiles to track F-22s and F-35s

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:13 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/3rj9zc74> eurasiantimes.com

... US Is Failing With Its Hypersonic Program ..

In a major setback, the US Air Force's second attempt to conduct the
flight test of a hypersonic weapon proved to be a dud. The two successive
failures perhaps explain why the US military is lagging ..

Russia Is Far Ahead

As the US Air Force faced two successive failures, Russia and China have
achieved success in developing their hypersonic weaponry. Russia has
three major hypersonic weapons - the Avangard, the Kinzhal, and the
Zircon .. And all of them cleared tests .. The Avangard hypersonic
intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) is the most potent among all
three .. The first regiment of Avangard hypersonic missiles was put into
service in December 2019 ..

> <https://tinyurl.com/yysvruv4>
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> Russian Northern Fleet frigate test-fires Tsirkon hypersonic missile

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 by: George Black - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 19:56 UTC

On 7/08/21 8:09 pm, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://tinyurl.com/pffdu9y7> londonnewstime.com
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> Russia's deadly new 15,880mph RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental missile set
> up for testing .. The weapon can deliver a MIRV warhead weighing up to
> 10 tons to any point in the world flying both in the Arctic and the
> South Pole .. It has the ability to use orbits and unpredictable routes
> .. New weapons can .. destroy areas as large as our shoddy island, or
> Texas ..
>
That tactic of a 'superior technology' killed the USSR.
Now its poor cousin is trying the same tactic.
Wont work

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 by: Byker - Sun, 8 Aug 2021 17:02 UTC

"George Black" wrote in message
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> That tactic of a 'superior technology' killed the USSR.
> Now its poor cousin is trying the same tactic.
> Wont work

The more Putin boasts about "wonder weapons", the more you can be sure that:

-- They don't exist

-- They can't be put into serial production

This Russia-China "alliance" will blow up in the Kremlin's face when "rich"
China decides to lord it over "poor" Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGafVj-wrmw

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 by: George Black - Sun, 8 Aug 2021 19:48 UTC

On 9/08/21 5:02 am, Byker wrote:
> "George Black"  wrote in message
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>> That tactic of a 'superior technology' killed the USSR.
>> Now its poor cousin is trying the same tactic.
>> Wont work
>
> The more Putin boasts about "wonder weapons", the more you can be sure
> that:
>
> -- They don't exist
>
> -- They can't be put into serial production

Oh they might have one or two but at the claimed speeds they'd be more
likely to go into space

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 by: Byker - Sun, 8 Aug 2021 21:30 UTC

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On 9/08/21 5:02 am, Byker wrote:
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>> The more Putin boasts about "wonder weapons", the more you can be sure
>> that:
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>> -- They don't exist
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>> -- They can't be put into serial production
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> Oh they might have one or two but at the claimed speeds they'd be more
> likely to go into space

Or melt in the atmosphere...

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Mon, 9 Aug 2021 21:51 UTC

China and Russia Joint Military Drill in Northwest China

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....

> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkXbyklunp4>
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> Watch Russian drills near the North Pole

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:24 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yjmjv6zf> moonofalabama.org

Why Hypersonic Missiles Are Real Game Changers ..

But let's lower our sights a little from ICBMs and IRBMs [and even
subsonic cruise missiles] to a quite ancient missile technology, the
Soviet-era Scud, first introduced into service in 1957! A recent case
with a Houthi Scud missile fired at Saudi Arabia in December 2017
shows just how difficult missile interception really is ..

The Houthi missile, identified as an Iranian-made Burqan-2 [a copy of
a North Korean Scud, itself a copy of a Chinese copy of the original
Russian Scud from the 1960s], flew over 600 miles before hitting the
Riyadh international airport. The US-made Patriot missile defense
system fired FIVE interceptor shots .. - all of them missed!

... This was not the first time that Patriot 'missile defense' against
this supposedly obsolete missile failed spectacularly .. During the
first Gulf War, the United States claimed a near-perfect record in
shooting down Iraqi variants of the Scud. Subsequent analyses found
that nearly all the interceptions had failed. Why is shooting down
Scuds so difficult? Because this was arguably the world's first
hypersonic missile [it flies at M 5 and does MANEUVER]! ..

Clearly the US is many years away from fielding a working hypersonic
missile. These early tests were only supposed to test the rocket, and
carried a dummy 'glide vehicle' which is supposed to separate from the
rocket once it reaches a speed of about M 6 or so, and then glide to
its target while maneuvering. The prototype missile would carry a
frangible surrogate for that [glide] vehicle that would disintegrate
after release ..

Zircon .. is in fact groundbreaking .. The next generation of such
missiles .. will be even smaller and more capable .. An even bigger
engineering accomplishment is the astonishing Avangard boost-glide
vehicle .. The bottom line is that these new Russian technologies ..
are game-changing because they are UNSTOPPABLE with today's air defense
technology. Just like the Plains Indians couldn't hope to stop, with
their bows and arrows, the US cavalry with their repeating rifles. Even
more profound may be the psychological effect that Russia's engineering
accomplishments must be exerting on the American psyche ..

Read more <https://tinyurl.com/yjmjv6zf>

....

> <https://tinyurl.com/6e2pu838>
>
> The United States Air Force Hypersonic Missile Test Has Failed Again

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> Why Hypersonic Missiles Are Real Game Changers ..

Will "monkey model" versions be available for export?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R753va6xjDM

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/39s6la/is_it_true_that_soviet_military_exports_were/

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> China and Russia Joint Military Drill in Northwest China

Wouldn't it be a kick in the head if each side thought the other was
actually about to invade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qx93AYPIRU

Like in "Able Archer '83"?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EI3_jCIkkA

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On 8/7/2021 1:11 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://tinyurl.com/s2t6bt3a> nationalinterest.org
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> .. The first S-500 "Triumfator-M" units will enter service ..
> The S-500 is Russia's upcoming next-generation flagship missile system,
> promising

OK Oleg, I do not think we ever doubted that
if it chose to, Russia could fuck up a lot
or the world.

But how about just trying to live a pleasant life?

This view is 4 years old, but is it still valid?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/03/19/russia-quality-of-life-indicators-worse-than-chinas/?sh=76a81042571e

Mar 19, 2017,06:34pm EDT
Russia Quality Of Life Indicators Worse Than China's

Kenneth Rapoza Senior Contributor
Markets
I write about global business and investing in emerging markets.

Traffic in snowy Moscow nearly grinds to a halt. Problems like this
occur regardless of weather,... [+]

Sure it has the Bolshoi and pristine Red Square with its luxury shopping
at the Tsum. And yes, unlike New York and Sao Paulo and Mumbai, no one
is asking you for food and spare change on every street corner. But when
it comes to overall quality of life, Russia ranks lower than all of the
big emerging markets. Even Mexico with its corruption and drug lords
does better.

According to the big data cost of living number crunchers at Numbeo,
Russia's biggest problems are weather; Moscow traffic that makes the 405
in Los Angeles and the Marginal in Sao Paulo seem tame; outrageous real
estate prices in city centers, and pollution. Russia may be known for
great culture, world-class great museums and home to one of the world's
most charming cities in St. Petersburg, but its overall quality of life
score is 86.27, putting it on par with its cultural rivals in Ukraine.

Numbeo's impressive data collection compares a cross section of costs
between cities and countries, in both the local currency, dollars and
euros. Russia's cost of living is the lowest of the BRICs.
Numbeo's impressive data collection compares a cross section of costs
between cities and countries,... [+] CHART FROM NUMBEO
PROMOTED

Moscow is home to more billionaires per capita than any other city. And
while most of them may actually live in London full time, it is not
uncommon to hear the roar of a McLaren marking its territory on the
Krasnopresnenskaya road along the Moscow River. Real estate there is
expensive, but according to Numbeo, not as expensive as Shanghai. The
price per square foot is 59.3% cheaper in the city center of Moscow than
it is in Shanghai. A three-bedroom rental in the city center is around
25% cheaper in Moscow.

This high housing cost in China, coupled with its massive air quality
problem, has the biggest of the BRIC countries ranked behind Russia.

Most things in China are cheap. But Chinese pay a high price for
housing...and for air quality.
As every American knows, most things in China are cheap. But Chinese pay
a high price for... [+] NUMBEO
Within the big four emerging markets, India is No. 1 thanks to low cost
of services and goods, including housing costs as a percentage of median
income.

India is the poorest of the big emerging markets, so all things being
equal, the country has a much lower cost basis for goods and services
compared to elsewhere.
India is the poorest of the big emerging markets, so all things being
equal, the country has a much... [+] NUMBEO
And then there is Brazil. Brazilians like to complain that every thing
costs a fortune, particularly in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro cities.
Sao Paulo city ranks well below Brazil's average cost of living score of
94.29 due to crime, pollution, traffic jams, and housing. The city gets
a 59. That's lousy.

Brazil's overall low cost of living makes it better than Russia. Sao
Paulo scores better than Moscow. (Numbeo)
Brazil's overall low cost of living makes it better than Russia. Sao
Paulo scores better than... [+] NUMBEO
Oddly enough, despite being one of the most productive agriculture
states in the world, bananas in Sao Paulo city cost 30% more than they
do in Moscow; eggs cost 58% more in Sao Paulo than in Moscow; a loaf of
bread cost 163% more in Sao Paulo than in Moscow. Even water (+18.4%)
and domestic beer (53.39%) cost more in Sao Paulo than in Moscow,
according to Numbeo data.

Yet, thanks to great weather and a relatively low cost of living
nationwide, Brazil life is better than Russia life.

Numbeo surveys cost of living, purchasing power, housing, air quality,
crime rates, healthcare and traffic commute times in its quality of life
index. Users can compare cities against each other in terms of cost on a
number of consumer items as well as housing and electricity bills.

The Americans vs The Russkiyes

Numbeo's Quality of Life Index gauge goes from 0 to 200. The higher the
number, the better. In this regard, the U.S. scores a 180.02 overall.
It's top five cities with near perfect scores are San Diego (197.7),
Dallas (191.8), Columbus (190.6), San Jose (190) and Portland (187.7).

In terms of cost of living, however, our best cities are more expensive
than Russia's. The top five are over the top in terms of cost, with
Numbeo giving a score of 100 for the highest cost of living in a given
country.

New York scores a 100, followed by Honolulu (97.7), San Francisco
(97.3), Anchorage (96.8) and Washington DC (93).

Russia's best cities are more affordable for the locals who live there.
The top five are Moscow (48.8), St. Petersburg (45.7), Yekaterinburg
(39.5), Novosibirsk (37) and Kazan (34.69).

Within the main segments of Numbeo's Cost of Living power gauge, here's
the winner:

Amerikantsy Russians
Purchasing Power Index: 122.48 48.97
Safety Index: 51.69 53.81
Health Care Index: 68.27 56.12
Climate Index: 68.01 12.32
Cost of Living Index: 74.13 43.28
Property Price to Income Ratio: 3.23 13.16
Traffic Commute Time: 34.41 49.33
Pollution Index: 31.32 63.52

These numbers can be confusing at first blush. A high number can
indicate a negative. For instance, a higher pollution index number is
worse than a lower one, so U.S. air quality is better than Russia's.

A higher climate index is better than a lower one, as it means the
country has warmer and more diverse weather regions suitable for
different outdoor activities and longer growing seasons for farmers.
Russia scores better on safety and cost of living.

Worth noting, as healthcare remains top-of-mind in the U.S., the
healthcare index scores us better than the Russians.

The components of the health care system surveyed by Numbeo respondents
include things like medical staff competency, quality of medical
equipment and diagnosis, insurance costs, and convenience and
availability of doctors.

Russia scores a 60 in terms of cost, beating the U.S. hands-down. U.S.
respondents gave cost satisfaction a 46.7 out of a possible score of 200.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Thu, 12 Aug 2021 18:10 UTC

a425couple, <news:sf3nb302tf9@news4.newsguy.com>
> On 8/7/2021 1:11 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> <https://tinyurl.com/s2t6bt3a> nationalinterest.org
>>
>> .. The first S-500 "Triumfator-M" units will enter service ..
>> The S-500 is Russia's upcoming next-generation flagship missile system,
>> promising
>
> OK Oleg, I do not think we ever doubted that
> if it chose to, Russia could fuck up a lot
> or the world.
>
> But how about just trying to live a pleasant life?

These are military-related groups, and there's a huge lot
of unedited primary sources from which one can learn Russian
life in various regions.

Only wankers find 'special' articles for masturbation.

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 by: Byker - Thu, 12 Aug 2021 18:17 UTC

a425couple, <news:sf3nb302tf9@news4.newsguy.com>
> On 8/7/2021 1:11 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> <https://tinyurl.com/s2t6bt3a> nationalinterest.org
>>
>> .. The first S-500 "Triumfator-M" units will enter service ..
>> The S-500 is Russia's upcoming next-generation flagship missile system,
>> promising
>
> OK Oleg, I do not think we ever doubted that
> if it chose to, Russia could fuck up a lot
> or the world.
>
> But how about just trying to live a pleasant life?

Parable:

The industrialist said to the fisherman, "Why are you napping under a tree?"
"Because I've caught enough fish for the day." "Why don't you catch more?"
"Why would I do that?" "So you can buy more nets, a bigger boat, go out into
deeper waters, then buy a whole fleet of boats and be rich like me." "Then
what?" "Well, then you can enjoy life." The fisherman: "What do you think
I'm doing now?"

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 by: George Black - Thu, 12 Aug 2021 19:50 UTC

On 13/08/21 6:10 am, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> a425couple, <news:sf3nb302tf9@news4.newsguy.com>
>> On 8/7/2021 1:11 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>>> <https://tinyurl.com/s2t6bt3a> nationalinterest.org
>>>
>>> .. The first S-500 "Triumfator-M" units will enter service ..
>>> The S-500 is Russia's upcoming next-generation flagship missile
>>> system, promising
>>
>> OK Oleg, I do not think we ever doubted that
>> if it chose to, Russia could fuck up a lot
>> or the world.
>>
>> But how about just trying to live a pleasant life?
>
> These are military-related groups, and there's a huge lot of unedited
> primary sources from which one can learn Russian
> life in various regions.
>
> Only wankers find 'special' articles for masturbation.

Yet here you are....
Do Russians understand irony ?????????

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 by: ZZyXX - Fri, 13 Aug 2021 01:15 UTC

On 8/12/21 1:24 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> The bottom line is that these new Russian technologies .. are
> game-changing because they are UNSTOPPABLE with today's air defense
> technology. Just like the Plains Indians couldn't hope to stop, with
> their bows and arrows, the US cavalry with their repeating rifles. Even
> more profound may be the psychological effect that Russia's engineering
> accomplishments must be exerting on the American psyche ..

yet the plains Indians defeated Custer

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:19 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yjkbq3wj> firstpost.com

Wiped out within weeks, Afghan military was built over 20 years with
$20 mn .. US helped build Afghan military with $83mn, over 20 years ..
The surrenders seem to be happening as fast as the Taliban can travel ..

The swift offensive has resulted in mass surrenders, captured
helicopters and millions of dollars of U.S.-supplied equipment paraded
by the Taliban on grainy cellphone videos .. The Taliban .. walked in
with little or no resistance .. This implosion comes despite the United
States having poured more than $83 billion in weapons, equipment and
training into the country's security forces over two decades .. The
United States' 20-year endeavor to rebuild Afghanistan's military into
a robust and independent fighting force has failed, and that failure is
now playing out in real time as the country slips into Taliban control.

....

It looks epic and will go down in history.

> <https://on.rt.com/92qj>
>
> US military spent $60 million on Afghanistan power lines to nowhere

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 by: George Black - Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:49 UTC

On 14/08/21 7:19 pm, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://tinyurl.com/yjkbq3wj> firstpost.com
>
> Wiped out within weeks, Afghan military was built over 20 years with $20
> mn .. US helped build Afghan military with $83mn, over 20 years .. The
> surrenders seem to be happening as fast as the Taliban can travel ..
>
> The swift offensive has resulted in mass surrenders, captured
> helicopters and millions of dollars of U.S.-supplied equipment paraded
> by the Taliban on grainy cellphone videos .. The Taliban .. walked in
> with little or no resistance .. This implosion comes despite the United
> States having poured more than $83 billion in weapons, equipment and
> training into the country's security forces over two decades .. The
> United States' 20-year endeavor to rebuild Afghanistan's military into a
> robust and independent fighting force has failed, and that failure is
> now playing out in real time as the country slips into Taliban control.
>
> ...
>
> It looks epic and will go down in history.

Like Russia in Afghanistan eh.
Reminds us again as to how that went

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:09 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yhz23rxv> newsobserver.com

Costs of the Afghanistan war ..

At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan
was America's longest war .. Its death toll is in the many tens of thousands.
And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of
Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off .. Here's a look at
the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers ..

Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United
States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion. Estimated interest costs by
2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.

THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON'T:
Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care,
disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq
veterans: more than $2 trillion.
Period those costs will peak: after 2048.

....

In most news the figure of 2,448 dead American servicemen is circulating, but
no one mentions 3,846 dead American "contractors" (plus also 1,144 servicemen
from other NATO states).

It looks like a classic corrupt scheme when the state-linked structures get
most of the state funding while most of the real 'dirty' work is outsourced to
'contractors'.

No wonder the outcome is so pathetic.

> <https://tinyurl.com/onpudqy>
> U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions
> through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:15 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yjvsa523> newsmax.com

Gen. David Petraeus .. says is "catastrophic ... for the United States
and the world ... a serious mistake [by the U.S.] ... an enormous
national security setback."

"There are no good outcomes here..." Petraeus added. "[This is] tragic,
regrettable, frankly preventable. [And] this did not have to turn out
this way ... Going to be a complete meltdown of a country." ..
Those who decided to pull out of Afghanistan now "have to own it ...
The results cannot be sugarcoated ... Don't put lipstick on a pig, it
undermines your credibility." The general then warned that if Kabul
falls, "it is a blow to our reputation around the world."

....

America needs to better learn to lose.

The further, the more such a skill will be in demand.

> <https://tinyurl.com/onpudqy>
> U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions
> through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 15 Aug 2021 20:19 UTC

2021-08-12 <https://tinyurl.com/yhmeazls> reuters.com

Taliban could take Afghan capital within 90 days .. - U.S. intelligence

2021-08-12 <https://tinyurl.com/yegj2elc> abcnews.go.com

US military analysis says Kabul could fall to Taliban in 90 days ..

2021-08-15 <https://tinyurl.com/yzxwac5l> taskandpurpose.com

It's over. Taliban fighters are entering Kabul. Afghanistan's president
has fled the country.. And thousands of Afghans who have worked for the
Americans are on their own ..

....

So, one can see, the US intelligence, military analysis is a sick joke.
The most funny thing is that in this case the oafs had no motive to
spread disinformation. They really believed in their wishful thinking.

One will recall it next time when "U.S. intelligence" claims something.

> <https://sptnkne.ws/GXRj>
>
> The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan was based on a big lie ..

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 by: Byker - Sun, 15 Aug 2021 22:30 UTC

"Oleg Smirnov" wrote in message news:sfbssr$u6d$1@os.motzarella.org...
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> It's over. Taliban fighters are entering Kabul. Afghanistan's president
> has fled the country.. And thousands of Afghans who have worked for the
> Americans are on their own ..

And most if not all of the old regime's "soldiers" have
taken off their uniforms and joined the Taliban...

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 by: ZZyXX - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 02:15 UTC

On 8/15/21 1:09 PM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> <https://tinyurl.com/yhz23rxv> newsobserver.com
>
> Costs of the Afghanistan war ..
>
> At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in
> Afghanistan
> was America's longest war .. Its death toll is in the many tens of
> thousands.
> And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it,
> generations of
> Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off .. Here's a look at
> the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers ..
>
> Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United
> States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion. Estimated interest
> costs by
> 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.
>
> THE WARS END. THE COSTS DON'T:
> Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health
> care,
> disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and
> Iraq
> veterans: more than $2 trillion.
> Period those costs will peak: after 2048.
>
> ...
>
> In most news the figure of 2,448 dead American servicemen is
> circulating, but
> no one mentions 3,846 dead American "contractors" (plus also 1,144
> servicemen
> from other NATO states).
>
> It looks like a classic corrupt scheme when the state-linked structures get
> most of the state funding while most of the real 'dirty' work is
> outsourced to
> 'contractors'.
>
> No wonder the outcome is so pathetic.
>
>
>
>> <https://tinyurl.com/onpudqy>
>> U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions
>> through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.
>

because you are such an unbiased presenter of "facts" could you please
present the Russian version of what their time in Afghanistan cost them.

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 by: Byker - Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:44 UTC

"ZZyXX" wrote in message news:sfchnl$j60$1@gioia.aioe.org...
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> because you are such an unbiased presenter of "facts" could you please
> present the Russian version of what their time in Afghanistan cost them.

Oleg?


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