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* Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsWojciech Malara
+* Re: Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsSean Franke
|`* Re: Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsEric Greenwell
| `* Re: Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsChris Wedgwood
|  `* Re: Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsEric Greenwell
|   `* Re: Glider simulator - Great way to improve skillsDarren Braun
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Hello dear members,
Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9

Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.

Kind regards,
Wojciech Malara

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 by: Sean Franke - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 11:23 UTC

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:48:07 AM UTC-6, wojciec...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello dear members,
> Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9
>
> Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
> Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.
>
> Kind regards,
> Wojciech Malara
The desing is interesting.

There is another sim that just became available too. https://www.justsoaring.com/

Sean

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:19 UTC

On 3/25/2022 4:23 AM, Sean Franke wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:48:07 AM UTC-6, wojciec...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello dear members,
>> Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9
>>
>> Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
>> Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Wojciech Malara
> The desing is interesting.
>
> There is another sim that just became available too. https://www.justsoaring.com/
>
> Sean
I wish motorgliders were available, and realistic controls for the propulsion system. I'm
told Condor has one for the DG800 that is usable, but the engine controls are not complete.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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 by: Chris Wedgwood - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 14:34 UTC

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:19:33 PM UTC+1, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 3/25/2022 4:23 AM, Sean Franke wrote:
> > On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:48:07 AM UTC-6, wojciec...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hello dear members,
> >> Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:
> >>
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9
> >>
> >> Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
> >> Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Wojciech Malara
> > The desing is interesting.
> >
> > There is another sim that just became available too. https://www.justsoaring.com/
> >
> > Sean
> I wish motorgliders were available, and realistic controls for the propulsion system. I'm
> told Condor has one for the DG800 that is usable, but the engine controls are not complete.
>
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

We have many gliders with motor, some self launching and some sustainer:

DG808
ASG29
EB29R
Stemme S12

and many more in the pipeline.

Chris
Condor Team

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Sat, 26 Mar 2022 15:20 UTC

On 3/26/2022 7:34 AM, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:19:33 PM UTC+1, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 3/25/2022 4:23 AM, Sean Franke wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:48:07 AM UTC-6, wojciec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Hello dear members,
>>>> Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9
>>>>
>>>> Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
>>>> Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Wojciech Malara
>>> The desing is interesting.
>>>
>>> There is another sim that just became available too. https://www.justsoaring.com/
>>>
>>> Sean
>> I wish motorgliders were available, and realistic controls for the propulsion system. I'm
>> told Condor has one for the DG800 that is usable, but the engine controls are not complete.
>>
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
>
> We have many gliders with motor, some self launching and some sustainer:
>
> DG808
> ASG29
> EB29R
> Stemme S12
>
> and many more in the pipeline.
>
> Chris
> Condor Team

I hope you will give priority to the most common self-launchers, which are the DG400/800,
the Schleicher ASH26E/ASH31Mi, and some variants of the FES powered gliders. The next
priority could be sustainers, which are simpler, but still have many variations:
Two-stroke dive or electric start, jet, and FES.

I have not used the DG808 on Condor, but I'm told the propulsion system controls are too
rudimentary to use as a training aid to transition to a DG808. That's what I'm hoping for:
motorglider simulations good enough to learn the procedures for specific models of
motorgliders.

That's not the only important differences between self-launchers and towed gliders, of
course. The ability to taxi introduces more decisions and responsibility, as does the
ability to self-retrieve (self-launchers and sustainers).

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:48:07 AM UTC-7, wojciec...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello dear members,
> Im offering tailor made glider simulators, please check the link below for videos and photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qBWMmqnhUPJMQWCb9
>
> Pricing starts from 1400 euro, shipping worldwide(free in EU), PayPal, Revolut, IBAN available.
> Any customization is possible. Send me a message if you want to know more detais.
>
> Kind regards,
> Wojciech Malara
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I've been using https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/interlink-dx-simulator-controller-with-usb-plug/SPMRFTX1.html It's Plug and play. Right stick for aileron and elevator. Left stick for spoilers. Auto rudder.

Quest 2 VR headset for visuals and head tracking. I like that it forces me to 'keep my head on a pivot'. Condor on screens trained me to keep a steady gaze forward even with head tracking.

I had to build a motion sickness tolerance very gradually. Motion sickness is of course not a problem with screens.

I would like to see Condor put more emphasis on See and Avoid. Maybe they could introduce AI boogies that would sneak up on me, trigger Flarm and fly aggressively. I worry that Condor trains people to be complacent about mid-air collisions.

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> I have not used the DG808 on Condor, but I'm told the propulsion system controls are too
> rudimentary to use as a training aid to transition to a DG808. That's what I'm hoping for:
> motorglider simulations good enough to learn the procedures for specific models of
> motorgliders.

Eric, it's just okay. The engine operates in an ideal manner and is fine for a basic feel of what it's like to self launch.
But with the engine out you don't feel the drag that in contributes (well then it always want to retract too quickly anyways and you can't stop it like you should be able to ). With gear out, spoilers out and prop out it's not even close to real feel.
The real one is way more stable too.. it doesn't bobble around like that. And so in general Condor2 DG808 doesn't exactly fly the same or feel the same.

It is better than any other flight sim as far as gliders are concerned and can help keep you current on rough skillset though.
my 2 cents,
Darren

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 by: Chris Wedgwood - Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:18 UTC

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 2:03:25 AM UTC+2, Darren Braun wrote:
> > I have not used the DG808 on Condor, but I'm told the propulsion system controls are too
> > rudimentary to use as a training aid to transition to a DG808. That's what I'm hoping for:
> > motorglider simulations good enough to learn the procedures for specific models of
> > motorgliders.
> Eric, it's just okay. The engine operates in an ideal manner and is fine for a basic feel of what it's like to self launch.
> But with the engine out you don't feel the drag that in contributes (well then it always want to retract too quickly anyways and you can't stop it like you should be able to ). With gear out, spoilers out and prop out it's not even close to real feel.
> The real one is way more stable too.. it doesn't bobble around like that. And so in general Condor2 DG808 doesn't exactly fly the same or feel the same.
>
> It is better than any other flight sim as far as gliders are concerned and can help keep you current on rough skillset though.
> my 2 cents,
> Darren

Darren, If you'd like to email me with a full assessment of the Dg808 flying qualities, I will have it corrected in the next update.

Chris
Condor Team

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> Darren, If you'd like to email me with a full assessment of the Dg808 flying qualities, I will have it corrected in the next update.
>
> Chris
> Condor Team

Hi Chris, sure, will do.
Darren

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On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:37:15 PM UTC-7, Darren Braun wrote:
> > Darren, If you'd like to email me with a full assessment of the Dg808 flying qualities, I will have it corrected in the next update.
> >
> > Chris
> > Condor Team
> Hi Chris, sure, will do.
> Darren
Chris, assessment sent to support at condorsoaring.com
Darren

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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:36:22 PM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
> I've been using https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/interlink-dx-simulator-controller-with-usb-plug/SPMRFTX1.html It's Plug and play. Right stick for aileron and elevator. Left stick for spoilers. Auto rudder.
>
> Quest 2 VR headset for visuals and head tracking. I like that it forces me to 'keep my head on a pivot'. Condor on screens trained me to keep a steady gaze forward even with head tracking.
>
> I had to build a motion sickness tolerance very gradually. Motion sickness is of course not a problem with screens.
>
> I would like to see Condor put more emphasis on See and Avoid. Maybe they could introduce AI boogies that would sneak up on me, trigger Flarm and fly aggressively. I worry that Condor trains people to be complacent about mid-air collisions.

You need to fly Condor 2 with VR headset. If you already have a Quest 2, then you're all set. If you fly it online with other folks in a racing task, then the PDA map shows the other pilots at whatever distance the task properties are set to. And each pilot has a label you can see.

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