Noticed there's a few unusual targets shown on glideandseek, one near
Boulder CO, and one at Panquitch UT. Receiver is shown as NAVITER,
Flarm ID starts with "FD". The one near Boulder moves around, as if the
GPS fix has noise in it, but the one at Panquitch is stable.

What's strange is they don't show up on gliderradar. Also the one at
Boulder is extremely close to that receiving station, but the owner of
the station has no idea why it's showing up there (on a golf course).

-Dave

My guess is that it's someone running SeeYou Navigator on their mobile phone. But it should also show up on Glider Radar.

Can you figure out who lives in the house on that golf course?

-Tom

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 7:44:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
> Noticed there's a few unusual targets shown on glideandseek, one near
> Boulder CO, and one at Panquitch UT. Receiver is shown as NAVITER,
> Flarm ID starts with "FD". The one near Boulder moves around, as if the
> GPS fix has noise in it, but the one at Panquitch is stable.
>
> What's strange is they don't show up on gliderradar. Also the one at
> Boulder is extremely close to that receiving station, but the owner of
> the station has no idea why it's showing up there (on a golf course).
>
> -Dave

Yes, Colin Barry. I've been talking to him, I'll ask about SeeYou. He
has been testing his Flarm in his garage recently, it showed up at his
house, not on the golf course fairway.

Also saw a similar signal in Chicago this evening. Maybe gliderradar
knows they're bogus, and just filters them out?

Dave

On 4/4/22 20:56, 5Z wrote:
> My guess is that it's someone running SeeYou Navigator on their mobile phone. But it should also show up on Glider Radar.
>
> Can you figure out who lives in the house on that golf course?
>
> -Tom
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 7:44:26 PM UTC-7, kinsell wrote:
>> Noticed there's a few unusual targets shown on glideandseek, one near
>> Boulder CO, and one at Panquitch UT. Receiver is shown as NAVITER,
>> Flarm ID starts with "FD". The one near Boulder moves around, as if the
>> GPS fix has noise in it, but the one at Panquitch is stable.
>>
>> What's strange is they don't show up on gliderradar. Also the one at
>> Boulder is extremely close to that receiving station, but the owner of
>> the station has no idea why it's showing up there (on a golf course).
>>
>> -Dave

Yes it's my house. I have an OGN receiver installed on my back deck and my glider is in the garage for some TLC. I have SeeYou Navigator installed on my iPhone and I use SkySight as my weather source. The navigator documentation https://naviter.com/seeyou-navigator/ mentions that you can get live weather updates. My current flight computer is an Oudie2 which can display a weather layer but these images are not live. Using my iPhone seems like a inexpensive way of getting live images into the cockpit whenever I have cell data.

I had no idea that the iPhone was broadcasting my location to the OGN (and to be honest I'm not sure it is). It would be a pleasant surprise if it was doing this.

Yes, SeeYou Navigator does broadcast your position. And if you just close the app, it still runs in the background. To stop it from broadcasting your position, you need to use the menu and select "exit" to put the app to sleep. Or just force quit the app.

Tom

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:41:22 AM UTC-7, Colin Barry wrote:
> Yes it's my house. I have an OGN receiver installed on my back deck and my glider is in the garage for some TLC. I have SeeYou Navigator installed on my iPhone and I use SkySight as my weather source. The navigator documentation https://naviter.com/seeyou-navigator/ mentions that you can get live weather updates. My current flight computer is an Oudie2 which can display a weather layer but these images are not live. Using my iPhone seems like a inexpensive way of getting live images into the cockpit whenever I have cell data.
>
> I had no idea that the iPhone was broadcasting my location to the OGN (and to be honest I'm not sure it is). It would be a pleasant surprise if it was doing this.

On 4/5/22 10:41, Colin Barry wrote:
>
> I had no idea that the iPhone was broadcasting my location to the OGN (and to be honest I'm not sure it is). It would be a pleasant surprise if it was doing this.
>

Be careful what you wish for. Now you wife is gonna know when you're
down at Shotgun Willy's :-)

Looks like the target at Panguitch has disappeared. Interesting it was
showing a constant 53 knts while standing still.

So I determined my "FlarmID" for my iPhone by clicking on target (? 53) at https://glideandseek.com/?aircraft=FD2953&viewport=40.00857,-105.02287,9

This process is described at http://wiki.glidernet.org/opt-in-opt-out

I then registered my iPhone at https://ddb.glidernet.org/. My current Flarm core is registerred at this site with competition number Y. I added my iPhone as Y_C (for cell) to differentiate it. It will be interesting to see if this resolves the target on glideandseek.com to Y_C.

Is this a inexpensive way to have your club gliders tracked? If I recall correctly, glideport.aero used to have a cell phone tracking app for iPhone but this seems to be unavailable at the Apple app store.

Just checked on glideandseek.com and Y_C is now showing

On 4/5/22 11:29, Colin Barry wrote:
> So I determined my "FlarmID" for my iPhone by clicking on target (? 53) at https://glideandseek.com/?aircraft=FD2953&viewport=40.00857,-105.02287,9
>
> This process is described at http://wiki.glidernet.org/opt-in-opt-out
>
> I then registered my iPhone at https://ddb.glidernet.org/. My current Flarm core is registerred at this site with competition number Y. I added my iPhone as Y_C (for cell) to differentiate it. It will be interesting to see if this resolves the target on glideandseek.com to Y_C.
>
> Is this a inexpensive way to have your club gliders tracked? If I recall correctly, glideport.aero used to have a cell phone tracking app for iPhone but this seems to be unavailable at the Apple app store.

IGCDroid is still available for Android devices. I assume its real time
tracking only works with glideport.aero?

>
> Just checked on glideandseek.com and Y_C is now showing

Glidertracker is still showing only your fake flarm id, and gliderradar
is still not showing anything. Maybe that will change with time.

On 4/5/2022 2:03 PM, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/5/22 11:29, Colin Barry wrote:
>> Is this a inexpensive way to have your club gliders tracked? If I
>> recall correctly, glideport.aero used to have a cell phone tracking
>> app for iPhone but this seems to be unavailable at the Apple app store.
>
> IGCDroid is still available for Android devices.  I assume its real time
> tracking only works with glideport.aero?

IGCdroid can now also be configured to send data directly to OGN, and to
a third system (Skylines ?).

My experience with it is that cellphone data connection can be lost for
10-30 minutes at a time, depending on where you are, but it's available
in enough of the area we fly in to be useful. The feed to Glideport
catches up when you get a connection (fills in the gap in past data),
but the OGN data is real-time only.