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* Leg/foot cramps while flyingEric Greenwell
+- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingHank Nixon
+* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingCraig Reinholt
|+* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingMichael Fadden
||`- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingDan Marotta
|`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingCraig Reinholt
| +* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingDan Marotta
| |`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingkinsell
| | `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingAmy Johnson
| |  `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingKarl Striedieck
| |   `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingEric Greenwell
| |    `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJohn Galloway
| +* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingFrank Whiteley
| |`- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingMartin Gregorie
| `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingEric Greenwell
|  `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying2G
+* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJAB
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|  `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingkinsell
|   `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingDee
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|    `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingkinsell
|     `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingChip Bearden
+- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingMartin Gregorie
+* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingmrop...@gmail.com
|+- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJay Campbell
|`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJohn Galloway
| +- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingBruce Patton
| `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJAB
|  `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingMNLou
+* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingdavid heffel
|+- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingDan Daly
|`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingEric Greenwell
| `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingkiwiindenver
|  `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingJohn Foster
|   `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flyingTurkey Vulture
`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Eric Greenwell
 `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Mike the Strike
  `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Eric Greenwell
   +- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Mike the Strike
   `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Mike the Strike
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      |`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Eric Greenwell
      | `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1kinsell
      |  `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Eric Greenwell
      |   `* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1kinsell
      |    +* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1paulstiles41@msn.com
      |    |`* Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Mark Mocho
      |    | `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Paul
      |    `- Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1Eric Greenwell
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Subject: Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying
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On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 1:40:40 PM UTC-6, kiwiindenver wrote:
> My wife has had night cramps forever. She strongly recommends the stop cramp product available here https://nznaturalformulas.co.nz
>
> Its small, easy to use and quick acting. Ideal for a cockpit.
I've had a few people tell me that a shot glass of pickle juice helps with night-time leg cramps. Something to do with the salt/electrolytes in the pickle juice that helps prevent this.

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 by: Turkey Vulture - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 11:41 UTC

I get these cramps as well after long flights, sometimes on short flights. I get them in both cold and hot conditions.

I started getting cramps in my new ship. I never got cramps before. Slight positional change?
Perhaps we don't realize how tense we are up there flying a plane with no engine. My entire leg can get involved with moving the rudder rather than just using my calves and foot muscles. I seem to do better when I keep reminding myself to relax all my muscles. No tension!

I actually reconfigured my panel to allow for more leg movement to massage out the cramp when they come.

Wouldn't eating actual pickles be the same as a shot of pickle juice? Probably gonna smell up the cockpit for awhile if you spill some pickle juice.
I'll try that lip-pinching technique next time.

It really can be scary when your foot is completely locked up.

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 13:39 UTC

On 4/1/2022 2:14 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> The last 2 or 3 years, I sometimes get foot or lower calf leg cramps. Very distracting!
> It's hard to do any real stretching, but a variety of small motions (wiggling low leg,
> raising the foot/pointing it forward, pressing on the pedals, etc) seems to reduce the
> cramp, and then relaxing and being very careful not tense the muscles involved returns the
> leg to normal.
>
> I sometimes have the same problem while sleeping in my comfy bed at home, but never while
> driving a car or watching TV from my recliner. Does anyone know what causes this and how
> to deal with it? My doctor wasn't any help, and I haven't found anything on the Internet
> that sounded like it might explain or help the condition.
>
The first two flights this year, I had severe leg and foot cramps after 3 hours of flying.
The next four flights of 4 to 6 hours, no cramps. Was that due to the 125mg of magnesium
and the 20 oz of diluted Gatorade I had before each flight? It's too soon to say, but I'll
continue using both for two more flights, then stop using one of them to see if the cramps
return.

I did try knee-high socks on one flight - still had the cramps - so they don't seem to be
a solution for me.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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Subject: Re: Leg/foot cramps while flying - report 1
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 by: Mike the Strike - Sat, 23 Apr 2022 19:06 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 6:39:54 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 4/1/2022 2:14 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> > The last 2 or 3 years, I sometimes get foot or lower calf leg cramps. Very distracting!
> > It's hard to do any real stretching, but a variety of small motions (wiggling low leg,
> > raising the foot/pointing it forward, pressing on the pedals, etc) seems to reduce the
> > cramp, and then relaxing and being very careful not tense the muscles involved returns the
> > leg to normal.
> >
> > I sometimes have the same problem while sleeping in my comfy bed at home, but never while
> > driving a car or watching TV from my recliner. Does anyone know what causes this and how
> > to deal with it? My doctor wasn't any help, and I haven't found anything on the Internet
> > that sounded like it might explain or help the condition.
> >
> The first two flights this year, I had severe leg and foot cramps after 3 hours of flying.
> The next four flights of 4 to 6 hours, no cramps. Was that due to the 125mg of magnesium
> and the 20 oz of diluted Gatorade I had before each flight? It's too soon to say, but I'll
> continue using both for two more flights, then stop using one of them to see if the cramps
> return.
>
> I did try knee-high socks on one flight - still had the cramps - so they don't seem to be
> a solution for me.
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
Magnesium worked for me - until I had a DVT!

Mike

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 02:33 UTC

On 4/23/2022 12:06 PM, Mike the Strike wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 6:39:54 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 4/1/2022 2:14 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>>> The last 2 or 3 years, I sometimes get foot or lower calf leg cramps. Very distracting!
>>> It's hard to do any real stretching, but a variety of small motions (wiggling low leg,
>>> raising the foot/pointing it forward, pressing on the pedals, etc) seems to reduce the
>>> cramp, and then relaxing and being very careful not tense the muscles involved returns the
>>> leg to normal.
>>>
>>> I sometimes have the same problem while sleeping in my comfy bed at home, but never while
>>> driving a car or watching TV from my recliner. Does anyone know what causes this and how
>>> to deal with it? My doctor wasn't any help, and I haven't found anything on the Internet
>>> that sounded like it might explain or help the condition.
>>>
>> The first two flights this year, I had severe leg and foot cramps after 3 hours of flying.
>> The next four flights of 4 to 6 hours, no cramps. Was that due to the 125mg of magnesium
>> and the 20 oz of diluted Gatorade I had before each flight? It's too soon to say, but I'll
>> continue using both for two more flights, then stop using one of them to see if the cramps
>> return.
>>
>> I did try knee-high socks on one flight - still had the cramps - so they don't seem to be
>> a solution for me.
>> --
>> Eric Greenwell - USA
>> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
>> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
> Magnesium worked for me - until I had a DVT!
>
> Mike
Did the magnesium cause the DVT? Or did the cramps return, even with use of magnesium?

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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 by: Mike the Strike - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:27 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 12:06 PM, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 6:39:54 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >> On 4/1/2022 2:14 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >>> The last 2 or 3 years, I sometimes get foot or lower calf leg cramps. Very distracting!
> >>> It's hard to do any real stretching, but a variety of small motions (wiggling low leg,
> >>> raising the foot/pointing it forward, pressing on the pedals, etc) seems to reduce the
> >>> cramp, and then relaxing and being very careful not tense the muscles involved returns the
> >>> leg to normal.
> >>>
> >>> I sometimes have the same problem while sleeping in my comfy bed at home, but never while
> >>> driving a car or watching TV from my recliner. Does anyone know what causes this and how
> >>> to deal with it? My doctor wasn't any help, and I haven't found anything on the Internet
> >>> that sounded like it might explain or help the condition.
> >>>
> >> The first two flights this year, I had severe leg and foot cramps after 3 hours of flying.
> >> The next four flights of 4 to 6 hours, no cramps. Was that due to the 125mg of magnesium
> >> and the 20 oz of diluted Gatorade I had before each flight? It's too soon to say, but I'll
> >> continue using both for two more flights, then stop using one of them to see if the cramps
> >> return.
> >>
> >> I did try knee-high socks on one flight - still had the cramps - so they don't seem to be
> >> a solution for me.
> >> --
> >> Eric Greenwell - USA
> >> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
> > Magnesium worked for me - until I had a DVT!
> >
> > Mike
> Did the magnesium cause the DVT? Or did the cramps return, even with use of magnesium?
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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 by: Mike the Strike - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 15:31 UTC

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 4/23/2022 12:06 PM, Mike the Strike wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 6:39:54 AM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >> On 4/1/2022 2:14 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> >>> The last 2 or 3 years, I sometimes get foot or lower calf leg cramps. Very distracting!
> >>> It's hard to do any real stretching, but a variety of small motions (wiggling low leg,
> >>> raising the foot/pointing it forward, pressing on the pedals, etc) seems to reduce the
> >>> cramp, and then relaxing and being very careful not tense the muscles involved returns the
> >>> leg to normal.
> >>>
> >>> I sometimes have the same problem while sleeping in my comfy bed at home, but never while
> >>> driving a car or watching TV from my recliner. Does anyone know what causes this and how
> >>> to deal with it? My doctor wasn't any help, and I haven't found anything on the Internet
> >>> that sounded like it might explain or help the condition.
> >>>
> >> The first two flights this year, I had severe leg and foot cramps after 3 hours of flying.
> >> The next four flights of 4 to 6 hours, no cramps. Was that due to the 125mg of magnesium
> >> and the 20 oz of diluted Gatorade I had before each flight? It's too soon to say, but I'll
> >> continue using both for two more flights, then stop using one of them to see if the cramps
> >> return.
> >>
> >> I did try knee-high socks on one flight - still had the cramps - so they don't seem to be
> >> a solution for me.
> >> --
> >> Eric Greenwell - USA
> >> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> >> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
> > Magnesium worked for me - until I had a DVT!
> >
> > Mike
> Did the magnesium cause the DVT? Or did the cramps return, even with use of magnesium?
> --
> Eric Greenwell - USA
> - "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
> https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications
I had leg cramps for many years - mostly at night, but also when flying. I was recommended foods high in magnesium and potassium rather than supplements and found that it did work for me.

The DVT was a separate issue - a combination of positional immobility, dehydration, oxygen starvation and an inherited genetic mutation for thrombophilia - basically economy class syndrome in a glider!

Mike

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Recently a fit, 30-yr old who was a passenger in a glider being flown in the Seniors suffered from serious dehydration and his muscles seized up. The pilot landed shortly thereafter and the passenger was met by an ambulance that put him on an IV to get him rehydrated. It was scary for all involved. Coincidentally the next day's safety meeting featured a pilot who was a nurse anesthetist who described the dangers of dehydration and the physiological processes that body undergoes when it doesn't have enough water and electrolytes (your organs shut down). Bottom line folks: stay hydrated and drink your watered down Gatorade mixture in the air. You need the electrolytes. For those worried about extra sugar intake, Gatorade makes zero calorie options.

A good article on the subject of dehydration and heat stroke, see: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dehydration-and-heat-stroke

- Chris Schrader

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On 4/25/22 08:57, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Recently a fit, 30-yr old who was a passenger in a glider being flown in the Seniors suffered from serious dehydration and his muscles seized up. The pilot landed shortly thereafter and the passenger was met by an ambulance that put him on an IV to get him rehydrated. It was scary for all involved. Coincidentally the next day's safety meeting featured a pilot who was a nurse anesthetist who described the dangers of dehydration and the physiological processes that body undergoes when it doesn't have enough water and electrolytes (your organs shut down). Bottom line folks: stay hydrated and drink your watered down Gatorade mixture in the air. You need the electrolytes. For those worried about extra sugar intake, Gatorade makes zero calorie options.
>
> A good article on the subject of dehydration and heat stroke, see: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dehydration-and-heat-stroke
>
> - Chris Schrader

Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
a problem.

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:51 AM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/25/22 08:57, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Recently a fit, 30-yr old who was a passenger in a glider being flown in the Seniors suffered from serious dehydration and his muscles seized up. The pilot landed shortly thereafter and the passenger was met by an ambulance that put him on an IV to get him rehydrated. It was scary for all involved. Coincidentally the next day's safety meeting featured a pilot who was a nurse anesthetist who described the dangers of dehydration and the physiological processes that body undergoes when it doesn't have enough water and electrolytes (your organs shut down). Bottom line folks: stay hydrated and drink your watered down Gatorade mixture in the air. You need the electrolytes. For those worried about extra sugar intake, Gatorade makes zero calorie options.
> >
> > A good article on the subject of dehydration and heat stroke, see: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dehydration-and-heat-stroke
> >
> > - Chris Schrader
> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
> a problem.

The professionals have given some good advice above. I'm an internist and I've had cramps also. In addition to the advice about maintaining fluid/electrolyte hydration, wiggling, stretching, I"d add
- stay physically active, as toned muscles seem less likely to cramp in my own experience than flaccid, deconditioned ones.
- Statins for cholesterol are possibly the biggest source of muscle cramps at and beyond middle age in the West. I couldn't tolerate any statin despite severe cramps, even with normal doses of QoQ10, but after my heart attack and stent, my friend Armistead, a diabetic with the same need and problem recommended *Kirkland* brand *300 mg* CoQ10 twice daily. No cramps since, and tolerating a statin well, with cholesterol <100 mg/dl
DanLJ

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> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
> a problem.

https://pedialyte.com/products/sport-liter/lemon-lime (this product line has both electrolytes and potassium)

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:29 UTC

On 4/25/2022 11:17 PM, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
>> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
>> a problem.
>
> https://pedialyte.com/products/sport-liter/lemon-lime (this product line has both electrolytes and potassium)
It is interesting that this sports drink touts the sodium in it for cramp avoidance, and
not the potassium and magnesium (which it also contains) other posters have
suggested/recommended for cramp avoidance. This article mentions insufficient calcium (and
magnesium) as a potential cause, so is it calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium or? Maybe
it's one or two of those for each person, but which one(s) vary between people.

A common issue in all the articles and advice is dehydration, so that might be the best
place to start. My levels of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium are all in the
normal range, so perhaps my problem is primarily dehydration, even though I think I'm
getting enough to drink before a flight. Two more flights without cramps, and I'll stop
taking the magnesium, but continue swilling the diluted Gatorade. If that's all it takes,
great!

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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On 4/26/22 07:29, Eric Greenwell wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 11:17 PM, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
>>> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
>>> a problem.
>>
>> https://pedialyte.com/products/sport-liter/lemon-lime   (this product
>> line has both electrolytes and potassium)
> It is interesting that this sports drink touts the sodium in it for
> cramp avoidance, and not the potassium and magnesium (which it also
> contains) other posters have suggested/recommended for cramp avoidance.
> This article mentions insufficient calcium (and magnesium) as a
> potential cause, so is it calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium or?
> Maybe it's one or two of those for each person, but which one(s) vary
> between people.
>
> A common issue in all the articles and advice is dehydration, so that
> might be the best place to start. My levels of calcium, magnesium,
> potassium, and sodium are all in the normal range, so perhaps my problem
> is primarily dehydration, even though I think I'm getting enough to
> drink before a flight. Two more flights without cramps, and I'll stop
> taking the magnesium, but continue swilling the diluted Gatorade. If
> that's all it takes, great!
>

With the problem showing up in early season flying in the NW, I would
think dehydration or electrolyte depletion is not a likely candidate.

Since this first showed up several years ago, does it correlate with any
medication changes? Drugs can and do have significant side effects,
contrary to what you might have read here.

-Dave

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 by: danlj - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:10 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:51 AM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/25/22 08:57, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Recently a fit, 30-yr old who was a passenger in a glider being flown in the Seniors suffered from serious dehydration and his muscles seized up. The pilot landed shortly thereafter and the passenger was met by an ambulance that put him on an IV to get him rehydrated. It was scary for all involved. Coincidentally the next day's safety meeting featured a pilot who was a nurse anesthetist who described the dangers of dehydration and the physiological processes that body undergoes when it doesn't have enough water and electrolytes (your organs shut down). Bottom line folks: stay hydrated and drink your watered down Gatorade mixture in the air. You need the electrolytes. For those worried about extra sugar intake, Gatorade makes zero calorie options.
> >
> > A good article on the subject of dehydration and heat stroke, see: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dehydration-and-heat-stroke
> >
> > - Chris Schrader
> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
> a problem.

NO!!!
https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-rich-in-potassium

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 by: kinsell - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 19:48 UTC

On 4/27/22 13:10, danlj wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 11:15:51 AM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
>> On 4/25/22 08:57, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Recently a fit, 30-yr old who was a passenger in a glider being flown in the Seniors suffered from serious dehydration and his muscles seized up. The pilot landed shortly thereafter and the passenger was met by an ambulance that put him on an IV to get him rehydrated. It was scary for all involved. Coincidentally the next day's safety meeting featured a pilot who was a nurse anesthetist who described the dangers of dehydration and the physiological processes that body undergoes when it doesn't have enough water and electrolytes (your organs shut down). Bottom line folks: stay hydrated and drink your watered down Gatorade mixture in the air. You need the electrolytes. For those worried about extra sugar intake, Gatorade makes zero calorie options.
>>>
>>> A good article on the subject of dehydration and heat stroke, see: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/dehydration-and-heat-stroke
>>>
>>> - Chris Schrader
>> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
>> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
>> a problem.
>
> NO!!!
> https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-rich-in-potassium

????????

"An 8-ounce bottle of the original, fruit-flavored, ready-to-drink
Gatorade has only 37 milligrams of potassium. Even by the standards set
by the National Kidney Foundation, this is a very small amount of
potassium. By way of comparison, 8 ounces of nonfat liquid milk have 382
milligrams of potassium."

https://www.livestrong.com/article/502971-can-gatorade-elevate-potassium-levels-in-the-blood/

The link you posted sez: Certain dairy products, such as milk and
yogurt, are high in potassium (low-fat or fat-free is best).

Can you explain what the source of your "NO!!!" comment is?

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:28 UTC

On 4/27/2022 8:56 AM, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/26/22 07:29, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>> On 4/25/2022 11:17 PM, cschra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Low potassium is a prime cause of muscle cramps, and Gatorade has very
>>>> little potassium. You're much better off drinking milk if potassium is
>>>> a problem.
>>>
>>> https://pedialyte.com/products/sport-liter/lemon-lime   (this product line has both
>>> electrolytes and potassium)
>> It is interesting that this sports drink touts the sodium in it for cramp avoidance, and
>> not the potassium and magnesium (which it also contains) other posters have
>> suggested/recommended for cramp avoidance. This article mentions insufficient calcium
>> (and magnesium) as a potential cause, so is it calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium or?
>> Maybe it's one or two of those for each person, but which one(s) vary between people.
>>
>> A common issue in all the articles and advice is dehydration, so that might be the best
>> place to start. My levels of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium are all in the
>> normal range, so perhaps my problem is primarily dehydration, even though I think I'm
>> getting enough to drink before a flight. Two more flights without cramps, and I'll stop
>> taking the magnesium, but continue swilling the diluted Gatorade. If that's all it
>> takes, great!
>>
>
> With the problem showing up in early season flying in the NW, I would think dehydration or
> electrolyte depletion is not a likely candidate.
>
> Since this first showed up several years ago, does it correlate with any medication
> changes?  Drugs can and do have significant side effects, contrary to what you might have
> read here.
>
> -Dave
No medication changes for almost 3 years. I do take simvastatin, and have for 10+ years.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

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 by: kinsell - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:47 UTC

On 4/27/22 14:28, Eric Greenwell wrote:

> No medication changes for almost 3 years. I do take simvastatin, and
> have for 10+ years.
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Well, you said it first showed up 2-3 years ago. I wouldn't be too
quick to rule out medication changes as the source of the problem.

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 by: paulstiles41@msn.com - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:16 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 5:47:26 PM UTC-5, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/27/22 14:28, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>
> > No medication changes for almost 3 years. I do take simvastatin, and
> > have for 10+ years.> Well, you said it first showed up 2-3 years ago. I wouldn't be too
> quick to rule out medication changes as the source of the problem.

I don't ever have cramps in my calves until get into a glider. This normally occurs early in the season. It seems to dissipate as I fly more often. This suggests that there is an acclimation process at work. My glider buddy (who is an ER Doctor) pointed out that the cramps could be caused by the seat position and my parachute/cushions pressing on the bundle of nerves in my lumbar region. I rarely get cramps in my ASW 20, I frequently get cramps in my LS3, I get unbearable, unrelenting cramps when I fly the club Grob 103. All of these ships have different relative seat positions. I am diligent about hydration before and during flight and most of the time these cramps occur while on tow. I understand that there are a multitude of reasons why we cramp. I suspect that our "nest" of cushions and parachute may have something to do with the problem. Keep experimenting with your comfort in a glider.

Paul, 9P & MO

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I don't get "crippling" cramps, but I have noticed that early in the season, when I am trying to concentrate on not screwing up, I tend to put excessive pressure on the rudder pedals. This results in pain in my calves and ankles, which eventually could lead to muscle spasms or cramps. Some of this has to do with the "unusual" angle of my feet; twisted inwards, toes pointed with stress on the muscles that have not been exercised in this position over the winter layoff. As I get more comfortable during the season, I can concentrate on relaxing the pressure, flexing my ankles and legs as much as possible and after a few flights, the pain goes away, or doesn't even occur.. I also started taking some advice from some of my friends who are rock climbers. They recommended bananas as a great source of energy and potassium, so I sometimes have one before launch. YMMV

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 by: Paul - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 06:35 UTC

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 10:12:53 PM UTC-5, Mark Mocho wrote:
> I don't get "crippling" cramps, but I have noticed that early in the season, when I am trying to concentrate on not screwing up, I tend to put excessive pressure on the rudder pedals. This results in pain in my calves and ankles, which eventually could lead to muscle spasms or cramps. Some of this has to do with the "unusual" angle of my feet; twisted inwards, toes pointed with stress on the muscles that have not been exercised in this position over the winter layoff. As I get more comfortable during the season, I can concentrate on relaxing the pressure, flexing my ankles and legs as much as possible and after a few flights, the pain goes away, or doesn't even occur. I also started taking some advice from some of my friends who are rock climbers. They recommended bananas as a great source of energy and potassium, so I sometimes have one before launch. YMMV

Bananas are supposed to be a good preventative and/or remedy for muscle cramps. High in potassium and magnesium. Also manageable in-flight food.

p.

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 by: Eric Greenwell - Thu, 28 Apr 2022 14:29 UTC

On 4/27/2022 3:47 PM, kinsell wrote:
> On 4/27/22 14:28, Eric Greenwell wrote:
>
>> No medication changes for almost 3 years. I do take simvastatin, and have for 10+ years.
>>
>
> Well, you said it first showed up 2-3 years ago.  I wouldn't be too quick to rule out
> medication changes as the source of the problem.
That was my error. I reviewed my notes, and I've occasional cramping for 10 years or so,
but this year, they were more severe and almost uncontrollable, instead of just a nuisance.

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 by: Craig Reinholt - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 15:38 UTC

On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:45:53 PM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> Eric,
> I've fought leg cramps for over a decade. Caffeine and alcohol exacerbates the problem (dehydration). I've gone to decaf coffee (sigh....) and no soda's with caffeine. I severely limit alcohol consumption during the flying season. I usually drink at least 28oz of Power-ade / Gatorade before a flight (sometimes more). Lastly, like Hank commented, magnesium really helps. I now take about 125 mg before bed for leg cramps at night. More and the negative effects kick in. YMMV.
> Craig

While the Mg and careful hydration management helped my leg cramps, come to find out the main culprit was a calcium deficiency. I did a minor amount of research and one of the main symptoms of calcium deficiency is regular leg cramping. I haven't drank milk in decades for no particular reason (no lactose intolerance). After a few glasses, bingo! No leg cramps. I tried calcium supplements and they work as well.
What a relief not to worry about cramping after all these years.
Craig

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 by: Dan Marotta - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 19:44 UTC

Too much calcium can lead to kidney stones. Moderation in everything.

Dan
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On 8/6/22 09:38, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:45:53 PM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
>> Eric,
>> I've fought leg cramps for over a decade. Caffeine and alcohol exacerbates the problem (dehydration). I've gone to decaf coffee (sigh....) and no soda's with caffeine. I severely limit alcohol consumption during the flying season. I usually drink at least 28oz of Power-ade / Gatorade before a flight (sometimes more). Lastly, like Hank commented, magnesium really helps. I now take about 125 mg before bed for leg cramps at night. More and the negative effects kick in. YMMV.
>> Craig
>
> While the Mg and careful hydration management helped my leg cramps, come to find out the main culprit was a calcium deficiency. I did a minor amount of research and one of the main symptoms of calcium deficiency is regular leg cramping. I haven't drank milk in decades for no particular reason (no lactose intolerance). After a few glasses, bingo! No leg cramps. I tried calcium supplements and they work as well.
> What a relief not to worry about cramping after all these years.
> Craig

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 by: Frank Whiteley - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 21:33 UTC

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:38:31 AM UTC-6, n5...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:45:53 PM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
> > Eric,
> > I've fought leg cramps for over a decade. Caffeine and alcohol exacerbates the problem (dehydration). I've gone to decaf coffee (sigh....) and no soda's with caffeine. I severely limit alcohol consumption during the flying season. I usually drink at least 28oz of Power-ade / Gatorade before a flight (sometimes more). Lastly, like Hank commented, magnesium really helps. I now take about 125 mg before bed for leg cramps at night. More and the negative effects kick in. YMMV.
> > Craig
>
> While the Mg and careful hydration management helped my leg cramps, come to find out the main culprit was a calcium deficiency. I did a minor amount of research and one of the main symptoms of calcium deficiency is regular leg cramping. I haven't drank milk in decades for no particular reason (no lactose intolerance). After a few glasses, bingo! No leg cramps. I tried calcium supplements and they work as well.
> What a relief not to worry about cramping after all these years.
> Craig
I quit drinking milk several years ago. Milk is fortified with vitamin D which is essential to the absorption of calcium. After about eight years I found myself with a number of issues, including nerve pain especially in my legs, due to calcium deficiency. I eventually tried a Caltrate 600D which had profound effects after 20 minutes with regard to the nerve pain relief and continued on a course of those and supplemental vitamin D, all with positive results. You can overdue it, so periodic blood work is essential and adjusting intact to keep the levels in range. The key was probably the vitamin D as I still ate cheese, yogurt, and cottage cheese, just no milk, and was probably not eating enough of vitamin D foods. Hydration is also essential and other pilots have mentioned less tolerance of heat with aging. I've always liked diluted Gatorade.
Frank

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 by: Martin Gregorie - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 22:28 UTC

On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 14:33:32 -0700 (PDT), Frank Whiteley wrote:

> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 9:38:31 AM UTC-6, n5...@comcast.net
> wrote:
>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 3:45:53 PM UTC-7, Craig Reinholt wrote:
>> > Eric,
>> > I've fought leg cramps for over a decade. Caffeine and alcohol
>> > exacerbates the problem (dehydration). I've gone to decaf coffee
>> > (sigh....) and no soda's with caffeine. I severely limit alcohol
>> > consumption during the flying season. I usually drink at least 28oz
>> > of Power-ade / Gatorade before a flight (sometimes more). Lastly,
>> > like Hank commented, magnesium really helps. I now take about 125 mg
>> > before bed for leg cramps at night. More and the negative effects
>> > kick in. YMMV.
>> > Craig
>>
>> While the Mg and careful hydration management helped my leg cramps,
>> come to find out the main culprit was a calcium deficiency. I did a
>> minor amount of research and one of the main symptoms of calcium
>> deficiency is regular leg cramping. I haven't drank milk in decades for
>> no particular reason (no lactose intolerance). After a few glasses,
>> bingo! No leg cramps. I tried calcium supplements and they work as
>> well.
>> What a relief not to worry about cramping after all these years.
>> Craig
> I quit drinking milk several years ago. Milk is fortified with vitamin
> D which is essential to the absorption of calcium. After about eight
> years I found myself with a number of issues, including nerve pain
> especially in my legs, due to calcium deficiency. I eventually tried a
> Caltrate 600D which had profound effects after 20 minutes with regard to
> the nerve pain relief and continued on a course of those and
> supplemental vitamin D, all with positive results. You can overdue it,
> so periodic blood work is essential and adjusting intact to keep the
> levels in range. The key was probably the vitamin D as I still ate
> cheese, yogurt, and cottage cheese, just no milk, and was probably not
> eating enough of vitamin D foods. Hydration is also essential and other
> pilots have mentioned less tolerance of heat with aging. I've always
> liked diluted Gatorade.
> Frank

For some years I've preferred the taste of IsoStar Lemon to Gatorade
because its less strongly flavoured and not as sweet, but YMMV.

IIRC it and Gatorade became available at around the same time, but
Gatorade is probably easier to find in the USA.

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