I'm currently flying a Genesis 2, and I'm looking into purchasing something with a motor that I can fit in and preferably flapped. I'm 6'7" and about 240-245 lbs cockpit weight. Ideally, I'm looking for either a forever glider, or a good interim competition ship that's preferably 15 - 18m.

I was able to fit in a Discus 2cFES rather comfortably, but I would prefer a flapped ship for contest flying. I was told that I could fit in a "non-a" Ventus 2cx because it's the same cockpit as a D2cFES. Can't find one for sale - the one on W&W is sold. I liked the D2C that's for sale on W&W for 199k, but it has no motor, and that's more than a brand new HPH Shark with any motor combo.

Two other options under consideration is putting money down on a JS2. I cannot fit in a JS1 or JS3, but I'm told I can fit in a JS2 as it's a bigger cockpit. A good friend is waiting on a JS2, and has been for years. He's practically being ghosted right now. Big turnoff, but I like the ship. No 15m option though.

Another option under consideration is a HPH Shark provided I can fit in it. I understand it's tall-pilot-friendly, but.... never know until I try to fold my tall self in it. The other plus is the delivery date can be very reasonable. I don't see too many flying in contests which is my goal, so that's a question mark.

What says the peanut gallery?

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 1:33:52 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
> I'm currently flying a Genesis 2, and I'm looking into purchasing something with a motor that I can fit in and preferably flapped. I'm 6'7" and about 240-245 lbs cockpit weight. Ideally, I'm looking for either a forever glider, or a good interim competition ship that's preferably 15 - 18m.
>
> I was able to fit in a Discus 2cFES rather comfortably, but I would prefer a flapped ship for contest flying. I was told that I could fit in a "non-a" Ventus 2cx because it's the same cockpit as a D2cFES. Can't find one for sale - the one on W&W is sold. I liked the D2C that's for sale on W&W for 199k, but it has no motor, and that's more than a brand new HPH Shark with any motor combo.
>
> Two other options under consideration is putting money down on a JS2. I cannot fit in a JS1 or JS3, but I'm told I can fit in a JS2 as it's a bigger cockpit. A good friend is waiting on a JS2, and has been for years. He's practically being ghosted right now. Big turnoff, but I like the ship. No 15m option though.
>
> Another option under consideration is a HPH Shark provided I can fit in it. I understand it's tall-pilot-friendly, but.... never know until I try to fold my tall self in it. The other plus is the delivery date can be very reasonable. I don't see too many flying in contests which is my goal, so that's a question mark.
>
> What says the peanut gallery?
I’m surprised you fit in the Discus. I’m 6’4” and the same weight as you and tried a friend’s Discus 2ct. Headroom was barely adequate with no chute on and shoulder room was tight.

Sawzall.

Kidding of course.

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:33:52 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> I'm currently flying a Genesis 2, and I'm looking into purchasing something with a motor that I can fit in and preferably flapped. I'm 6'7" and about 240-245 lbs cockpit weight. Ideally, I'm looking for either a forever glider, or a good interim competition ship that's preferably 15 - 18m.

ASH-26E without the seatback.

5Z

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:18:35 PM UTC-4, 5Z wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:33:52 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> > I'm currently flying a Genesis 2, and I'm looking into purchasing something with a motor that I can fit in and preferably flapped. I'm 6'7" and about 240-245 lbs cockpit weight. Ideally, I'm looking for either a forever glider, or a good interim competition ship that's preferably 15 - 18m.
> ASH-26E without the seatback.
>
> 5Z
If the ASH-26E is a good option for you, there is one for sale right now at my club in Canada (Toronto Soaring Club.)

https://wingsandwheels.com/classifieds/motorgliders/schleicher-ash-26e1655747556.html

I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.

On Sunday, 31 July 2022 at 13:06:37 UTC+1, Rob wrote:
> I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.

You could try a JS3, some pretty tall pilots fit in them and the cockpit is a lot more roomy than it looks from the outside. 18/15m too.

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 5:06:37 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.

Did you remove the seat backrest in the 31?

5Z

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:06:43 AM UTC-5, jpg...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, 31 July 2022 at 13:06:37 UTC+1, Rob wrote:
> > I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.
> You could try a JS3, some pretty tall pilots fit in them and the cockpit is a lot more roomy than it looks from the outside. 18/15m too.

Tried it. Couldn't make it work due to panel. The factory now says 6'4". They're also saying JS2 is good up to 6'8".

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:19:38 AM UTC-5, 5Z wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 5:06:37 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> > I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.
> Did you remove the seat backrest in the 31?
>
> 5Z

Yep. No luck.

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 8:09:14 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:06:43 AM UTC-5, jpg...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 31 July 2022 at 13:06:37 UTC+1, Rob wrote:
> > > I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.
> > You could try a JS3, some pretty tall pilots fit in them and the cockpit is a lot more roomy than it looks from the outside. 18/15m too.
> Tried it. Couldn't make it work due to panel. The factory now says 6'4". They're also saying JS2 is good up to 6'8".
All Factories say pretty much anything they think the clients want to hear. Fit in a glider is VERY individual. Some have long torsos, short legs, others have long legs short torsos, etc. The only way to tell if you will fit in a glider is to
sit in it with chute and then close the canopy!!! I once many years ago purchased a glider from a larger man than I. I tried everything, I could not get the canopy closed with me in it and chute on! I am 6 ft 190 pounds. I do not fit into most SH gliders, but I have seen people up to 6'3" fit into an A model SH. There is a story I heard about a famous now passed on pilot buying an early LS-6 that he had sat in at the factory before the installation of a canopy. When it arrived in the US finished, he did not fit, and he had owned a number of A model SH gliders. As I understand the JS-2 is still an ASH-26 fuselage. The internals might be different and the fit. Try on, before you buy. I tried the fit of a Ventus 3, didn't fit, although I could get more of me in it than I could an older A model.

Would you be interested in a D2c if it was considerably cheaper than the one advertised? No motor though

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-5, Ross wrote:
> Would you be interested in a D2c if it was considerably cheaper than the one advertised? No motor though

Possibly. What do you have?

On Monday, 1 August 2022 at 20:46:54 UTC+1, jonatha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 8:09:14 AM UTC-7, Rob wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 11:06:43 AM UTC-5, jpg...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 31 July 2022 at 13:06:37 UTC+1, Rob wrote:
> > > > I tried to fold myself in the ASH-31 with no luck. I can give rides in the ASK-21 only from the back seat - can't do the front seat. That's why I've given up on Schleicher ships.
> > > You could try a JS3, some pretty tall pilots fit in them and the cockpit is a lot more roomy than it looks from the outside. 18/15m too.
> > Tried it. Couldn't make it work due to panel. The factory now says 6'4".. They're also saying JS2 is good up to 6'8".
> All Factories say pretty much anything they think the clients want to hear. Fit in a glider is VERY individual. Some have long torsos, short legs, others have long legs short torsos, etc. The only way to tell if you will fit in a glider is to
> sit in it with chute and then close the canopy!!! I once many years ago purchased a glider from a larger man than I. I tried everything, I could not get the canopy closed with me in it and chute on! I am 6 ft 190 pounds. I do not fit into most SH gliders, but I have seen people up to 6'3" fit into an A model SH. There is a story I heard about a famous now passed on pilot buying an early LS-6 that he had sat in at the factory before the installation of a canopy. When it arrived in the US finished, he did not fit, and he had owned a number of A model SH gliders. As I understand the JS-2 is still an ASH-26 fuselage. The internals might be different and the fit. Try on, before you buy. I tried the fit of a Ventus 3, didn't fit, although I could get more of me in it than I could an older A model.

The JS1 is derived from the ASH 26 fuselage. The JS2 fuselage looks Schleicher-ish but is entirely new. On the JS FB post 30th Aug 2020 they claim a 115kg pilot exceeding 2m should fit but it is of course highly individual.

Try a DG-808C. Not the best racing machine but one of the best self launch systems developed. I fly a dg-800S because that is all I fit in. I have a super long back and It relines a lot so my tall back can fit. I don't fit well in any other single place ships. A DG-1001 Self launch is amazing but very expensive too.
John

Rob,

Where is your length? There can be different "fixes" for long legs vs long torso, and make adjustments to take away excess room for legs to obtain more room for torso, and visa versa. Of course if both are tight once you clamber in, then options diminish rapidly. They need taller folk designing gliders.

What worked for me in both the Stemme S10-VT and ASH26E, where I had leg room to spare but little headroom, I did by getting the body more recumbent. To include dropping seat back and moving the seat back bottom forward. This included fitting a wedge pack parachute made thicker at the bottom,. Then by removing seat bottom padding where the chute will sit on the under pan that allowed the thinner part of the chute pack to be lower so upper torso could lean back further still. Lower thigh and calves get thicker memory foam pads under to further support body weight and help take weight off tailbone. All of this gets the noggin lower and, done right, is quite comfortable..

bumper

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:40:13 PM UTC-4, bumper wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Where is your length? There can be different "fixes" for long legs vs long torso, and make adjustments to take away excess room for legs to obtain more room for torso, and visa versa. Of course if both are tight once you clamber in, then options diminish rapidly. They need taller folk designing gliders.
>
> What worked for me in both the Stemme S10-VT and ASH26E, where I had leg room to spare but little headroom, I did by getting the body more recumbent.. To include dropping seat back and moving the seat back bottom forward. This included fitting a wedge pack parachute made thicker at the bottom,. Then by removing seat bottom padding where the chute will sit on the under pan that allowed the thinner part of the chute pack to be lower so upper torso could lean back further still. Lower thigh and calves get thicker memory foam pads under to further support body weight and help take weight off tailbone. All of this gets the noggin lower and, done right, is quite comfortable.
>
> bumper
As someone in Rob’s situation, I can say having tried much of what you describe, it is possible to end up in a situation where reach becomes a problem. It seem odd but a tall person can become so recumbent that he can’t reach the panel or the release!

I'm pretty balanced, though I'm a tad taller in torso. My inseam is 36. I tried LS-8, couldn't do it. DG-300 couldn't make it work. Tried sitting in a buddy's DG800 self launcher, nope.

Still trying to sit in a few gliders and decide. I'm also still keeping an eye on the used market for a S-H bird like a V2cxT or a D2cFES or T.

Stemme. And you can take a friend.

Dan
5J

On 8/5/22 18:09, Rob wrote:
> I'm pretty balanced, though I'm a tad taller in torso. My inseam is 36. I tried LS-8, couldn't do it. DG-300 couldn't make it work. Tried sitting in a buddy's DG800 self launcher, nope.
>
> Still trying to sit in a few gliders and decide. I'm also still keeping an eye on the used market for a S-H bird like a V2cxT or a D2cFES or T.
>

> Stemme. And you can take a friend.

He asked about "competitive" gliders. The Stemme performs fairly well, but judging by contest results, it just doesn't cut it.

Tried a brand new JS-3 a couple weeks back - definitely no dice. What a bummer!

Still haven't tried HPH Shark. Can't find one within reasonable distance from me to see how I fit.
Interested in a GP15 JETA, but still haven't tried sitting in it. Was interested in SN002 that's already in the US, but starting to lose interest due to various reasons.

Is anyone out there considering selling their Discus 2cFES or cT? Or maybe Ventus 2cT or cxT? I've already reached out about the one in Canada on W&W and the seller has a buyer at his club already. Anyone?

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:48:15 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
> Tried a brand new JS-3 a couple weeks back - definitely no dice. What a bummer!
>
> Still haven't tried HPH Shark. Can't find one within reasonable distance from me to see how I fit.
> Interested in a GP15 JETA, but still haven't tried sitting in it. Was interested in SN002 that's already in the US, but starting to lose interest due to various reasons.
>
> Is anyone out there considering selling their Discus 2cFES or cT? Or maybe Ventus 2cT or cxT? I've already reached out about the one in Canada on W&W and the seller has a buyer at his club already. Anyone?

I have a Shark, I'm 6'5" with a 33/34 inseam. You might fit. Glider is in the NE if you want to try it on.

Clay

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:59:33 AM UTC-5, Clay wrote:
> On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:48:15 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
> > Tried a brand new JS-3 a couple weeks back - definitely no dice. What a bummer!
> >
> > Still haven't tried HPH Shark. Can't find one within reasonable distance from me to see how I fit.
> > Interested in a GP15 JETA, but still haven't tried sitting in it. Was interested in SN002 that's already in the US, but starting to lose interest due to various reasons.
> >
> > Is anyone out there considering selling their Discus 2cFES or cT? Or maybe Ventus 2cT or cxT? I've already reached out about the one in Canada on W&W and the seller has a buyer at his club already. Anyone?
> I have a Shark, I'm 6'5" with a 33/34 inseam. You might fit. Glider is in the NE if you want to try it on.
>
> Clay

Thank you Clay. Whereabouts?

Rob

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:48:57 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 9:59:33 AM UTC-5, Clay wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 12:48:15 PM UTC-4, Rob wrote:
> > > Tried a brand new JS-3 a couple weeks back - definitely no dice. What a bummer!
> > >
> > > Still haven't tried HPH Shark. Can't find one within reasonable distance from me to see how I fit.
> > > Interested in a GP15 JETA, but still haven't tried sitting in it. Was interested in SN002 that's already in the US, but starting to lose interest due to various reasons.
> > >
> > > Is anyone out there considering selling their Discus 2cFES or cT? Or maybe Ventus 2cT or cxT? I've already reached out about the one in Canada on W&W and the seller has a buyer at his club already. Anyone?
> > I have a Shark, I'm 6'5" with a 33/34 inseam. You might fit. Glider is in the NE if you want to try it on.
> >
> > Clay
> Thank you Clay. Whereabouts?
>
> Rob
SE NY, not far from NYC.