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* Recommendation for paintKerry Kirby
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Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
Thanks.

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 by: Richard Pfiffner - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:47 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:19:40 AM UTC-8, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> Thanks.
This page shows a complete process and materials

https://www.craggyaero.com/ventus.htm

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

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 by: R - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:40 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:47:49 AM UTC-5, Richard Pfiffner wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 6:19:40 AM UTC-8, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> > PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> > Thanks.
> This page shows a complete process and materials
>
> https://www.craggyaero.com/ventus.htm
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> Richard
> www.craggyaero.com

Excellent post Richard thank you. Know nothing about the craft, surprise at the amount of effort and work required.
Also interesting to see sanding after painting 3 coats. I thought painting was the last item.

R

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 by: Hank Nixon - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 15:54 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> Thanks.

Much will depend on what you can get locally and what materials your painter is familiar with.
The most commonly used acrylic urethane is PPG Concept. Many good results.
I have had good results with Sherwin Williams 3rd Dimension AU.
UH

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 by: Kerry Kirby - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:12 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:55:02 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> > PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> > Thanks.
> Much will depend on what you can get locally and what materials your painter is familiar with.
> The most commonly used acrylic urethane is PPG Concept. Many good results..
> I have had good results with Sherwin Williams 3rd Dimension AU.
> UH

Ok Thanks Hank We did get a possible time for delivery of a PPG paint of 12 weeks so we are trying to see what alternatives there are. What are the benefits of the Acrylic Urethane?

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 by: R - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:11 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:55:02 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > > Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> > > PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> > > Thanks.
> > Much will depend on what you can get locally and what materials your painter is familiar with.
> > The most commonly used acrylic urethane is PPG Concept. Many good results.
> > I have had good results with Sherwin Williams 3rd Dimension AU.
> > UH
> Ok Thanks Hank We did get a possible time for delivery of a PPG paint of 12 weeks so we are trying to see what alternatives there are. What are the benefits of the Acrylic Urethane?

Ok, after answering Mr. Kirby, do the manufactures sand after applying ‘polyurethane’? And understand I do not know the difference between acrylic urethane and polyurethane. My knowledge stops at Turtle Wax ‘Wax n Wipe’ spray on.

R

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 by: youngbl...@gmail.com - Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:33 UTC

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:55:02 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > > Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> > > PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> > > Thanks.
> > Much will depend on what you can get locally and what materials your painter is familiar with.
> > The most commonly used acrylic urethane is PPG Concept. Many good results.
> > I have had good results with Sherwin Williams 3rd Dimension AU.
> > UH
> Ok Thanks Hank We did get a possible time for delivery of a PPG paint of 12 weeks so we are trying to see what alternatives there are. What are the benefits of the Acrylic Urethane?
Go to your auto paint supplier and use NASON single stage also use their acrylic urethane primer. We use it an all our sailplane projects, come look for yourself, and save a few bucks. Old Bob, The Purist, AKA, Mango Bob

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On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-5, R wrote:
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 1:12:59 PM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:55:02 AM UTC-5, Hank Nixon wrote:
> > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:19:40 AM UTC-5, Kerry Kirby wrote:
> > > > Our club in Canada is doing a refinish on our ASK 21. We are fast approaching the end of the gelcoat removal stage and are trying to source filler , primer and paint products. Can I get some recommendations on a products. Looking for a good product as we don’t want to sand again! At least on this glider.
> > > > PPG? Sherwin Williams? Glasurit? Others?
> > > > Thanks.
> > > Much will depend on what you can get locally and what materials your painter is familiar with.
> > > The most commonly used acrylic urethane is PPG Concept. Many good results.
> > > I have had good results with Sherwin Williams 3rd Dimension AU.
> > > UH
> > Ok Thanks Hank We did get a possible time for delivery of a PPG paint of 12 weeks so we are trying to see what alternatives there are. What are the benefits of the Acrylic Urethane?
> Ok, after answering Mr. Kirby, do the manufactures sand after applying ‘polyurethane’? And understand I do not know the difference between acrylic urethane and polyurethane. My knowledge stops at Turtle Wax ‘Wax n Wipe’ spray on.
>
> R
Oil vs water base, acrylic will fill holes better as a primer. OBTPMB

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 by: Richard Pfiffner - Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:59 UTC

The PPG Concept is probably a great paint but the PPG JAU Shopline is very similar acrylic urethane.

My wings were coated with the PPG JAU Shopline same process as on my website and they have been out in the sun in Northern California all summer May thru October for 21 years. Except for minor nicks and scratches good enough and half the price of Concept.

© 2018 PPG Industries www.ppgrefinish.com SLJAU 8/18
JAU
Direct Gloss Acrylic Urethane
Background
SHOP-LINE® JAU is a fast drying, two component, single stage acrylic urethane designed for today’s automotive
collision centers.
Components
Color
JAU Direct Gloss Acrylic Urethane
Hardener
JH6670 Fast Topcoat Hardener
JH6680 Slow Topcoat Hardener
JH6690 Very Slow Topcoat Hardener
Reducer
JR505/JR5560 Fast 55-65°F
(13-18°C)
JR506/JR5570 Medium 65-75°F
(18-24°C)
JR507/JR5580 Slow 75-85°F
(24-29°C)
JR508/JR5590 Very Slow 85-95°F
(29-35°C)

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 by: Richard Pfiffner - Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:01 UTC

Most paints have orange peel after the finish coats and you have to finish sand and polish to remove.

Richard

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